X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com ([74.125.46.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2959295 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:52:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.46.31; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1229472ywj.7 for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:51:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=cFI64vpk45x0rNN73xoBPdUcRxqRwXdSt3A6tIqCHx4=; b=jefLVUKPvDS5CfFHggJ+x4CZ28q+Qhype5cIWgMHwGPUAzIZrMY27OXADXrstYGbgj 2eMi+u+5iu1qRBzu8HSWCdYMgkh6nD7XKqKl5wWlmIFIxfLeIHsI1AzZG3nXHyCZYWnd aZaI3ybYPSJqmiRtI8pSjFCugf0n50LCkg3p0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=wLxLVgKBV+jILV2sKq+YmOxkW5ZsuZdbd3SvxcUfTb8FrGpVdJojxBrm9A6k4Yp+gu KZ4H8JVIGtoKbGmRbnRhIMyYobnzNEJozTQYjLh6v03qgiQk9qBlPjGpqlkdEZiEpwdQ 5KCSeGicjkhCW2AlECf1taHe8VICnaRpKcOS4= Received: by 10.151.42.21 with SMTP id u21mr5538407ybj.211.1212987105443; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.145.16 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1c23473f0806082151m4127512bhd53cb5856b93909@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:51:45 -0700 From: "David Leonard" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mufflers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17550_7541920.1212987105431" References: ------=_Part_17550_7541920.1212987105431 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey, you want to run the risk of riding around on a donor cycle or flying an airplane, that should always be your choice. But you shouldn't be allowed to wake up everyone in the neighborhood at 0700 on a Sunday morning just to make your dangerous hobby a minute bit safer. We run the risks, don't take it out on everyone else. Best Regards Dave Leonard (love riding bikes and flying airplanes) On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Christopher Barber < CBarber@texasattorney.net> wrote: > Not wanting to start a big debate, but the loud noise on bikes is/can be > a safety item. I hated the loud pipes before I started to ride, but now I > like them as folks know I am there and since soooooooo many seem to not > notice riders otherwise every little bit helps. Just another perspective. > > FWIW. > > All the best, > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David Leonard > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Mufflers > > I couldn't agree more Todd. Well said. > > I also think that should apply to Harley motorcycles (and clones). There > was a time when it was cool to have a loud bike, because they were so few > and far between. Nowadays, it seems the streets are filled with > unnecessarily loud motorcycles and supped up Hondas (etc). IMHO, riding > something loud is no longer unique, and is not cool, and should not be > acceptable. > > The only exception is a true war bird. There are only so may of them left, > and they will always be cool! > > Dave Leonard > > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Todd Bartrim wrote: > >> Yesterday someone said something to the effect that since the muffler >> posed so many risks he was going to omit it and get a good pair of noise >> canceling headsets instead. You really need to reconsider this. All of >> general aviation needs to address this, but us rotary enthusiasts in >> particular. No other motor vehicle is allowed to operate in public with out >> a muffler (other than at raceways, etc.). The growing green movement is >> demanding an end to all the fun that we powersport enthusiasts enjoy, and >> when we call their attention every time we fly over, they will make more >> noise of their own. >> >> As the unmuffled rotary is perhaps the worst offender, we >> even have a reputation amongst the Lycosaurus crowd as being obnoxiously >> loud. This is unacceptable in my opinion. We may not need their support but >> we certainly don't need to generate any more opposition from them. >> >> >> >> Let's lead by example and take the muffler off our heads and put it on the >> engine where it belongs. >> >> >> >> *Todd Bartrim*** >> >> >> > > > > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > > -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net ------=_Part_17550_7541920.1212987105431 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hey, you want to run the risk of riding around on a donor cycle or flying an airplane, that should always be your choice.  But you shouldn't be allowed to wake up everyone in the neighborhood at 0700 on a Sunday morning just to make your dangerous hobby a minute bit safer.  We run the risks, don't take it out on everyone else.
 
Best Regards
 
Dave Leonard
(love riding bikes and flying airplanes)

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Christopher Barber <CBarber@texasattorney.net> wrote:
Not wanting to start a big debate, but the loud noise on bikes is/can be a safety item.  I hated the loud pipes before I started to ride, but now I like them as folks know I am there and since soooooooo many seem to not notice riders otherwise every little bit helps.  Just another perspective.
 
FWIW.
 
All the best,
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mufflers

I couldn't agree more Todd.  Well said. 

I also think that should apply to Harley motorcycles (and clones).  There was a time when it was cool to have a loud bike, because they were so few and far between.  Nowadays, it seems the streets are filled with unnecessarily loud motorcycles and supped up Hondas (etc).  IMHO, riding something loud is no longer unique, and is not cool, and should not be acceptable.

The only exception is a true war bird.  There are only so may of them left, and they will always be cool!

Dave Leonard

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Todd Bartrim <bartrim@gmail.com> wrote:

Yesterday someone said something to the effect that since the muffler posed so many risks he was going to omit it and get a good pair of noise canceling headsets instead. You really need to reconsider this. All of general aviation needs to address this, but us rotary enthusiasts in particular. No other motor vehicle is allowed to operate in public with out a muffler (other than at raceways, etc.). The growing green movement is demanding an end to all the fun that we powersport enthusiasts enjoy, and when we call their attention every time we fly over, they will make more noise of their own.

            As the unmuffled rotary is perhaps the worst offender, we even have a reputation amongst the Lycosaurus crowd as being obnoxiously loud. This is unacceptable in my opinion. We may not need their support but we certainly don't need to generate any more opposition from them.

           

Let's lead by example and take the muffler off our heads and put it on the engine where it belongs.

 

Todd Bartrim

 




--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net



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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net ------=_Part_17550_7541920.1212987105431--