X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2959240 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:45:40 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.64; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id baTp1Z01P1GXsucA70Pu00; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:45:03 +0000 Received: from ChristopherNB ([98.200.107.125]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bfl11Z0072iMkLq8T00000; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:45:03 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=N8B9JuSIAAAA:8 a=Asgz3Ap86sNiS0t7Ad4A:9 a=8LE4FB5YIa6iIp7h0egsSgaXiIEA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=6-x43y6uxGMA:10 a=i68cpwTIAqUuZLtUOGUA:9 a=m4qvdjw6eos3SmKO82UA:7 a=Tp5oCO-CjDO0ORMxFNGRfzBmb8IA:4 a=WD2S8eiFAUIA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <1D69AF3B98504D41BDCCA17C1ED2F588@ChristopherNB> From: "Christopher Barber" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mufflers Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:44:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_16B9_01C8C9B9.46BDDD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_16B9_01C8C9B9.46BDDD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not wanting to start a big debate, but the loud noise on bikes is/can be = a safety item. I hated the loud pipes before I started to ride, but now = I like them as folks know I am there and since soooooooo many seem to = not notice riders otherwise every little bit helps. Just another = perspective. FWIW. All the best, Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:30 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mufflers I couldn't agree more Todd. Well said. =20 I also think that should apply to Harley motorcycles (and clones). = There was a time when it was cool to have a loud bike, because they were = so few and far between. Nowadays, it seems the streets are filled with = unnecessarily loud motorcycles and supped up Hondas (etc). IMHO, riding = something loud is no longer unique, and is not cool, and should not be = acceptable. The only exception is a true war bird. There are only so may of them = left, and they will always be cool! Dave Leonard On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Todd Bartrim = wrote: Yesterday someone said something to the effect that since the = muffler posed so many risks he was going to omit it and get a good pair = of noise canceling headsets instead. You really need to reconsider this. = All of general aviation needs to address this, but us rotary enthusiasts = in particular. No other motor vehicle is allowed to operate in public = with out a muffler (other than at raceways, etc.). The growing green = movement is demanding an end to all the fun that we powersport = enthusiasts enjoy, and when we call their attention every time we fly = over, they will make more noise of their own. As the unmuffled rotary is perhaps the worst offender, = we even have a reputation amongst the Lycosaurus crowd as being = obnoxiously loud. This is unacceptable in my opinion. We may not need = their support but we certainly don't need to generate any more = opposition from them. =20 Let's lead by example and take the muffler off our heads and put it = on the engine where it belongs. Todd Bartrim --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net ------=_NextPart_000_16B9_01C8C9B9.46BDDD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not wanting to start a big debate, but = the loud=20 noise on bikes is/can be a safety item.  I hated the loud pipes = before I=20 started to ride, but now I like them as folks know I am there and since=20 soooooooo many seem to not notice riders otherwise every little bit = helps.  Just another perspective.
 
FWIW.
 
All the best,
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 = 1:30 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mufflers

I couldn't agree more Todd.  Well said.  =

I=20 also think that should apply to Harley motorcycles (and clones).  = There=20 was a time when it was cool to have a loud bike, because they were so = few and=20 far between.  Nowadays, it seems the streets are filled with=20 unnecessarily loud motorcycles and supped up Hondas (etc).  IMHO, = riding=20 something loud is no longer unique, and is not cool, and should not be = acceptable.

The only exception is a true war bird.  There = are only=20 so may of them left, and they will always be cool!

Dave = Leonard

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Todd Bartrim = <bartrim@gmail.com> wrote:

Yesterday someone=20 said something to the effect that since the muffler posed so many = risks he=20 was going to omit it and get a good pair of noise canceling headsets = instead. You really need to reconsider this. All of general aviation = needs=20 to address this, but us rotary enthusiasts in particular. No other = motor=20 vehicle is allowed to operate in public with out a muffler (other = than at=20 raceways, etc.). The growing green movement is demanding an end to = all the=20 fun that we powersport enthusiasts enjoy, and when we call their = attention=20 every time we fly over, they will make more noise of their=20 own.

          =  =20 As the unmuffled rotary is perhaps the worst offender, we = even have a=20 reputation amongst the Lycosaurus crowd as being obnoxiously loud. = This is=20 unacceptable in my opinion. We may not need their support but we = certainly=20 don't need to generate any more opposition from=20 them.

          =  =20

Let's lead by example = and take=20 the muffler off our heads and put it on the engine where it=20 belongs.

 

Todd=20 Bartrim

 



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