X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.54] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2957255 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:32:27 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.54; envelope-from=bobperk90658@bellsouth.net Received: from fwebmail08.isp.att.net ([204.127.218.108]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080607053150H0400ift4le>; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 05:31:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.218.108] Received: from [74.249.215.156] by fwebmail08.isp.att.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:31:49 +0000 From: "Bob Perkinson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Steam engines Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:31:49 +0000 Message-Id: <060720080531.5399.484A1D44000D1B750000151722230703729B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC7059D0A9F0D010D@att.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 10 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: Ym9icGVyazlAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5399_1212816709_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5399_1212816709_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit With the lubricant emulsified in the water, the problem comes at the steam generating device, be it a fired boiler or a solar boiler, the lubricant will plate out on the steam generating surface. Insulate the transfer surface and building up to the point of reducing flow. Time to steam generator failure will be inversely proportional to the temp of the steam and the flow. Any impurities will produce scale in steam generators, so the H2o needs to be pure, less than 3 micro MHOs. I would go with ceramic seals IMHO. Bob Perkinson -------------- Original message from "Lynn Hanover" : -------------- Steam engines use with contained (reused steam) use water based lubricants. No problem. Lynn E. Hanover Good point. I imagine you could use the ceramic apex seals, but their cost would make the whole thing more expensive than I would probably want to go. Do you think having the seals coated with a ceramic might work/stay on? Grant --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5399_1212816709_0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5399_1212816709_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5399_1212816709_1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
With the lubricant emulsified in the water, the problem comes at the steam generating device, be it a fired boiler or a solar boiler, the lubricant will plate out on the steam generating surface.  Insulate the transfer surface and building up to the point of reducing flow.  Time to steam generator failure will be inversely proportional to the temp of the steam and the flow.  Any impurities will produce scale in steam generators, so the H2o needs to be pure, less than 3 micro MHOs.  I would go with ceramic seals IMHO.
 
Bob Perkinson
-------------- Original message from "Lynn Hanover" <lehanover@gmail.com>: --------------

Steam engines use with contained (reused steam) use water based lubricants. No problem.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
 
 
Good point.  I imagine you could use the ceramic apex seals, but their
cost would make the whole thing more expensive than I would probably
want to go.  Do you think having the seals coated with a ceramic might
work/stay on?

Grant
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