Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #43032
From: Richard Sohn <res12@fairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] combined starter alternator
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:39:12 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I do not have the direct answer to your question, it would be too long, however, the first two cars I owned had a starter-generator set up. The first one was a 700cc DKW model 1938 and the other one was a 1949 DKW, sort of a post war successor. Both were two cylinder two strokes. It had an outside armature on the crank shaft with a set of brushes on a disc type commutation. Once the engine was running, it worked as a generator through a separate exciter winding in the stator, controlled through the voltage regulator. The windings on the armature were used as starter and generator.
There was frequently a problem with cranking, because it was loosing torque with the slightest voltage drop in the system.
I do not believe that such a system could be built competing, at least weight wise, with a gear reduction starter motor. As a mater of principle, a high torque electric motor is always heavier than a high speed motor producing the same torque through gear reduction. And, of course, at the same hp.
 
FWIW.
 
Richard Sohn
N2071U
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:28 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] combined starter alternator

Directed to the electronic wiz types.
 
This is not a development issue but an educational issue as I would like to understand the issues associated with developing a starter alternator.
 
Personally I believe a combined starter, alternator, flywheel, damper, timing wheel and pick up would be a great advantage (we live to dream).
Some systems use the combined starter alternator attached to the gear box shaft just, between the motor and the gearbox fluid damper. 
 
I believe from talking to Bill Jepson that getting sufficient power from the current winding used is problematic but that there had been major improvements in this field. Also reading a little on the Internet ( if I understand it correctly) an alternator is AC ( alternating current) and a generator is DC. As Batteries are DC and starters are DC, we would need to use a DC generator winding in the starter generator (someone tell if I'm wrong here).
 
Of course nothing is as simple as this, so I'm keen to understand the issues associated - from anyone out there in the electronics world!?
George (down under).



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