X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.235] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2927925 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:12:51 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.249.82.235; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1439292wxc.25 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:12:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Qnxk7oTMJH+c+6Pky5SqivNSB2nSxxoE1DAAzFctYsQ=; b=C42MKdbwnj8srreUb6sr0rt3/1lXTH/4v5X4qT3cyGuV9drunfbJHt2HnTCQ0CDlt5Q6V1L+zIkFuFl9fAVb7hFzSPIiyuVElIeoy6jXaGCz9bKBR143ieFAiYAHCUO4TRvLrc0ITTP/jsu4BCAzW8Ny/MGCPZiXp7LldoTWBNQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qX5avK8IOSXkqRShOLkNKDwhdycfQLcqwGnsCgFTCiG3gAMOcP3RTNN+3A9tFl9UTGCC2lWY/HaLI+pbuN+DPPJ0oLUurpAO5hxIFd+AAa+x+xQeZfvs6IWQJdT8mXUd0AvKk5wboa0XG6J7B16mG/iEzO5wXCH9rezmVcsHJrg= Received: by 10.70.56.13 with SMTP id e13mr8127749wxa.10.1211137932782; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.74.18 with HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5cf132c0805181212y739e913eucc864349da950d2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:12:12 -0500 From: "Mark Steitle" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Lancair ES - 20B Takeoff In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9804_30487546.1211137932777" References: ------=_Part_9804_30487546.1211137932777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dave, Reminds me of the time I attended the SWRFI down in New Braunfels, TX. Bill Eslick was there, at least his airplane was sitting in the row with the cowl off. I spotted it and stood around waiting for him to return. But people kept stopping and asking questions, and being the rotary expert that I am (tongue in cheek), I began answering their questions as best I could, explaining the many benefits of the rotary engine. Before long, a small crowd had formed. Finally, someone asked how long it took me to build it, and I then admitted that it wasn't my airplane. Got a big laugh. It was fun while it lasted. Bill never did show, so I finally walked away. There is an immense interest in a viable alternative to the Lycosaurus. It is our mission to build so that we make a favorable impression on the non-believers. Mark S. P.S. I was looking forward to flying my 3-rotor to SWRFI this year, but lo and behold, the EAA withrew their support and it has been canceled. On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, David Leonard wrote: > There are those people out there, but the reaction I typically get is just > the oppisite. Even though my plane is an ugly duckling, it is often one of > the most popular at a fly-in if I take my cowl off. Most people are curious > and encouraging though reserved. > > I have also had an opportunity to change some attitudes through > perseverance. > > I asked Gary Sobek, a well-know DAR and tech counselor in the So-cal > RV-group, to do a tech inspection for me. He refused to come near my plane > because it had an alternate engine. That sparked some heated debates on the > So-Cal RV-list. > > As I continued to attend fly-in events and fly formation with the Group, > Gary became more and more accepting of the rotary. I think that if you were > to ask him today, he would cautiously admit that the rotary can be a > reasonable alternative to certified engine. > > Now, I remember a nice looking RV-8 with a military paint scheme parked > across from me when I was down there flying off my 40 hours. If that is the > same guy (an airline pilot), he was nice enough to me, but he had just > bought that RV-8. His knowledge about several RV-related subjects was > fairly poor. IMHO, people who have never built a plane are in no position > to pass judgment about the decisions made by people who have actually built > one and/or know something about the subject. > > I woudn't worry too much about his opinion. Just get your's flying so you > can show him how cool the engine really is. And then, after it is flying > faster and better than his, don't forget to constantly remind him of how > little you spent FWF. :-) > > Or, you can just tell him that if you gives you any more lip I am going to > come down there and kick his butt......... (in an air race) :-) > > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Mike Wills wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> Re your comment about the "flying chainsaw"... Met a guy yesterday at EAA >> Chapter 14 with a pretty nice RV-8, IO-360, CS prop, blah, blah, blah. Nice >> military paint scheme and good construction. Pretty typical RV-8. I've seen >> the airpalne and the guy around before and have always gotten a pretty >> snooty, aloof vibe from him so havent ever spoken to him before. >> >> Yesterday it was the only really interesting plane there so I struck up a >> conversation. He was relatively talkative and I mentioned that I had a >> flying RV-6A and an almost ready to fly RV-4. >> >> Him: "The -4 is a great flying plane - you are going to have a blast >> flying it! O-320?" >> Me: "Uh, no - Mazda rotary out of an RX-7." >> >> He scrambled away like I had plague mumbling something about stupid >> people screwing up perfectly good RVs. I saw this coming which is why I've >> never really talked with the guy before. Still torques me off when I meet >> some close minded jack ass like this who is supposedly an Experimental >> aviation supporter. >> >> Mike Wills >> >> RV-4 N144MW >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Mark Steitle >> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:57 AM >> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Lancair ES - 20B Takeoff >> >> Thanks Kelly, >> >> The old-timers at the airport call me "the flying chainsaw". ;-) >> But that's ok. 100LL is $5.10/gal and I'm burning mogas at $3.62/gal. >> While nowhere near cheap, it is $1.48/gallon less than 100LL. I've noticed >> a newfound interest in the rotary engine amongst the airport bums lately. >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote: >> >>> Mark, >>> You sure do not have anything to apologize for !!..........Flying that >>> thing has to be a thrill every time........Awesome !! >>> -- >>> Kelly Troyer >>> "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine >>> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 >>> "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- Original message from "Mark Steitle" : >>> -------------- >>> >>> If anyone is interested, I posted a video of my 3-rotor Lancair on >>> Youtube. I apologize in advance for the photography (my son-in-law took the >>> video). ;-) >>> And no, it isn't out of focus, it was 94* the day it was taken and what >>> you're seeing is the heat coming off the runway. Check it out at... >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiSSGU7wmMA#GU5U2spHI_4 >>> >>> Mark S. >>> >>> >> > > > > ------=_Part_9804_30487546.1211137932777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dave,

Reminds me of the time I attended the SWRFI down in New Braunfels, TX.  Bill Eslick was there, at least his airplane was sitting in the row with the cowl off.  I spotted it and stood around waiting for him to return.  But people kept stopping and asking questions, and being the rotary expert that I am (tongue in cheek), I began answering their questions as best I could, explaining the many benefits of the rotary engine.  Before long, a small crowd had formed.  Finally, someone asked how long it took me to build it, and I then admitted that it wasn't my airplane.  Got a big laugh.  It was fun while it lasted.  Bill never did show, so I finally walked away.  There is an immense interest in a viable alternative to the Lycosaurus.  It is our mission to build so that we make a favorable impression on the non-believers. 

Mark S.

P.S.  I was looking forward to flying my 3-rotor to SWRFI this year, but lo and behold, the EAA withrew their support and it has been canceled.



On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com> wrote:
There are those people out there, but the reaction I typically get is just the oppisite.  Even though my plane is an ugly duckling, it is often one of the most popular at a fly-in if I take my cowl off.  Most people are curious and encouraging though reserved.

I have also had an opportunity to change some attitudes through perseverance.

I asked Gary Sobek, a well-know DAR and tech counselor in the So-cal RV-group, to do a tech inspection for me.  He refused to come near my plane because it had an alternate engine.  That sparked some heated debates on the So-Cal RV-list.

As I continued to attend fly-in events and fly formation with the Group, Gary became more and more accepting of the rotary.  I think that if you were to ask him today, he would cautiously admit that the rotary can be a reasonable alternative to certified engine.

Now, I remember a nice looking RV-8 with a military paint scheme parked across from me when I was down there flying off my 40 hours.  If that is the same guy (an airline pilot), he was nice enough to me, but he had just bought that RV-8.  His knowledge about several RV-related subjects was fairly poor.  IMHO, people who have never built a plane are in no position to pass judgment about the decisions made by people who have actually built one and/or know something about the subject.

I woudn't worry too much about his opinion.  Just get your's flying so you can show him how cool the engine really is.  And then, after it is flying faster and better than his, don't forget to constantly remind him of how little you spent FWF.  :-)

Or, you can just tell him that if you gives you any more lip I am going to come down there and kick his butt.........   (in an air race)  :-)

--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Mike Wills <rv-4mike@cox.net> wrote:
Mark,
 
 Re your comment about the "flying chainsaw"... Met a guy yesterday at EAA Chapter 14 with a pretty nice RV-8, IO-360, CS prop, blah, blah, blah. Nice military paint scheme and good construction. Pretty typical RV-8. I've seen the airpalne and the guy around before and have always gotten a pretty snooty, aloof vibe from him so havent ever spoken to him before.
 
 Yesterday it was the only really interesting plane there so I struck up a conversation. He was relatively talkative and I mentioned that I had a flying RV-6A and an almost ready to fly RV-4.
 
Him: "The -4 is a great flying plane - you are going to have a blast flying it! O-320?"
Me: "Uh, no - Mazda rotary out of an RX-7."
 
 He scrambled away like I had plague mumbling something about stupid people screwing up perfectly good RVs. I saw this coming which is why I've never really talked with the guy before. Still torques me off when I meet some close minded jack ass like this who is supposedly an Experimental aviation supporter.
 
Mike Wills
 
RV-4 N144MW 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Steitle
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:57 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Lancair ES - 20B Takeoff

Thanks Kelly,

The old-timers at the airport call me "the flying chainsaw".   ;-)
But that's ok.  100LL is $5.10/gal and I'm burning mogas at $3.62/gal.  While nowhere near cheap, it is $1.48/gallon less than 100LL.  I've noticed a newfound interest in the rotary engine amongst the airport bums lately. 

Mark


On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Mark,
   You sure do not have anything to apologize for !!..........Flying that
thing has to be a thrill every time........Awesome !!
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold



 
-------------- Original message from "Mark Steitle" <msteitle@gmail.com>: --------------

If anyone is interested, I posted a video of my 3-rotor Lancair on Youtube.  I apologize in advance for the photography (my son-in-law took the video).  ;-)
And no, it isn't out of focus, it was 94* the day it was taken and what you're seeing is the heat coming off the runway.  Check it out at...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiSSGU7wmMA#GU5U2spHI_4

Mark S.






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