X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2927766 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 May 2008 13:10:06 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.162.180; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j27so335697elf.7 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:09:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=PSGqwuIYgBij7glLFnajtEbDi4Lsd14EBX/g+5gSkgk=; b=w2QkESR0e+1zfAXcrbKYnM44zvvn+2pinUbBOdREe44xq/S3raoRJEGExMGZFsvg/pZWh41IHvRVBUbD43RPqVUP+Qf4WT5FpZNLU0Z7RpPnZfme3XfKrVj0VrDEfea3VWqWTM4A6y/m5FyjdFHv5p2CQEnIdJGxUOk+NBJoc/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=A2k8XXddSziL5xfvO+u8NDeLaBkeTUw9KZ/TGN5tbVJtqofPE4Ghjf/+eQSngnxDjhUhB5bQYHeTLY1gMtKE1JNtpajqDKtOzJkC7Xk7RRC7E0TkP24G3MFzy1ePfdnqfxEaq6NP7ajVn/N7anIofjt3cBO8eom1jKXXyesbbwo= Received: by 10.100.251.5 with SMTP id y5mr6847403anh.126.1211130566446; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.74.18 with HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5cf132c0805181009m40416a67rec208bfee65456e9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:09:26 -0500 From: "Mark Steitle" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Lancair ES - 20B Takeoff In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9607_11992318.1211130566426" References: ------=_Part_9607_11992318.1211130566426 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mike, Yes, I know what you mean. Yesterday, we were sitting around talking and this old timer started asking me about the inner workings of the rotary. So, for the next half-hour I tried to explain it to him, remembering how long it has taken me to really grasp the rotary concepts. He thought the rotor was fixed solid to the crank and therefore could not understand how it turned 1/3 the crank speed. But I persisted, and finally he got it. It was like a light came on and he got a big smile on his face. I looked over at another old timer that I've been "proselytizing to for the past 2-1/2 years and I said, "looks like we've got another convert". We all got a good laugh. Going rotary definitely isn't for the thin-skinned. My guess is that your guy is in the business of selling engines, or something similar, and we represent a threat to his livelihood. The easiest way to convince the "non-believer" is for us rotor-heads to just do it. Mark S. On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Mike Wills wrote: > Mark, > > Re your comment about the "flying chainsaw"... Met a guy yesterday at EAA > Chapter 14 with a pretty nice RV-8, IO-360, CS prop, blah, blah, blah. Nice > military paint scheme and good construction. Pretty typical RV-8. I've seen > the airpalne and the guy around before and have always gotten a pretty > snooty, aloof vibe from him so havent ever spoken to him before. > > Yesterday it was the only really interesting plane there so I struck up a > conversation. He was relatively talkative and I mentioned that I had a > flying RV-6A and an almost ready to fly RV-4. > > Him: "The -4 is a great flying plane - you are going to have a blast flying > it! O-320?" > Me: "Uh, no - Mazda rotary out of an RX-7." > > He scrambled away like I had plague mumbling something about stupid people > screwing up perfectly good RVs. I saw this coming which is why I've never > really talked with the guy before. Still torques me off when I meet some > close minded jack ass like this who is supposedly an Experimental aviation > supporter. > > Mike Wills > > RV-4 N144MW > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mark Steitle > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:57 AM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Lancair ES - 20B Takeoff > > Thanks Kelly, > > The old-timers at the airport call me "the flying chainsaw". ;-) > But that's ok. 100LL is $5.10/gal and I'm burning mogas at $3.62/gal. > While nowhere near cheap, it is $1.48/gallon less than 100LL. I've noticed > a newfound interest in the rotary engine amongst the airport bums lately. > > Mark > > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > >> Mark, >> You sure do not have anything to apologize for !!..........Flying that >> thing has to be a thrill every time........Awesome !! >> -- >> Kelly Troyer >> "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine >> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 >> "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message from "Mark Steitle" : >> -------------- >> >> If anyone is interested, I posted a video of my 3-rotor Lancair on >> Youtube. I apologize in advance for the photography (my son-in-law took the >> video). ;-) >> And no, it isn't out of focus, it was 94* the day it was taken and what >> you're seeing is the heat coming off the runway. Check it out at... >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiSSGU7wmMA#GU5U2spHI_4 >> >> Mark S. >> >> > ------=_Part_9607_11992318.1211130566426 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mike,
Yes, I know what you mean.  Yesterday, we were sitting around talking and this old timer started asking me about the inner workings of the rotary.  So, for the next half-hour I tried to explain it to him, remembering how long it has taken me to really grasp the rotary concepts.  He thought the rotor was fixed solid to the crank and therefore could not understand how it turned 1/3 the crank speed.  But I persisted, and finally he got it.  It was like a light came on and he got a big smile on his face.  I looked over at another old timer that I've been "proselytizing to for the past 2-1/2 years and I said, "looks like we've got another convert".   We all got a good laugh.  Going rotary definitely isn't for the thin-skinned. 

My guess is that your guy is in the business of selling engines, or something similar, and we represent a threat to his livelihood.  The easiest way to convince the "non-believer" is for us rotor-heads to just do it.

Mark S.


On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Mike Wills <rv-4mike@cox.net> wrote:
Mark,
 
 Re your comment about the "flying chainsaw"... Met a guy yesterday at EAA Chapter 14 with a pretty nice RV-8, IO-360, CS prop, blah, blah, blah. Nice military paint scheme and good construction. Pretty typical RV-8. I've seen the airpalne and the guy around before and have always gotten a pretty snooty, aloof vibe from him so havent ever spoken to him before.
 
 Yesterday it was the only really interesting plane there so I struck up a conversation. He was relatively talkative and I mentioned that I had a flying RV-6A and an almost ready to fly RV-4.
 
Him: "The -4 is a great flying plane - you are going to have a blast flying it! O-320?"
Me: "Uh, no - Mazda rotary out of an RX-7."
 
 He scrambled away like I had plague mumbling something about stupid people screwing up perfectly good RVs. I saw this coming which is why I've never really talked with the guy before. Still torques me off when I meet some close minded jack ass like this who is supposedly an Experimental aviation supporter.
 
Mike Wills
 
RV-4 N144MW 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Steitle
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:57 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Lancair ES - 20B Takeoff

Thanks Kelly,

The old-timers at the airport call me "the flying chainsaw".   ;-)
But that's ok.  100LL is $5.10/gal and I'm burning mogas at $3.62/gal.  While nowhere near cheap, it is $1.48/gallon less than 100LL.  I've noticed a newfound interest in the rotary engine amongst the airport bums lately. 

Mark


On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Mark,
   You sure do not have anything to apologize for !!..........Flying that
thing has to be a thrill every time........Awesome !!
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold



 
-------------- Original message from "Mark Steitle" <msteitle@gmail.com>: --------------

If anyone is interested, I posted a video of my 3-rotor Lancair on Youtube.  I apologize in advance for the photography (my son-in-law took the video).  ;-)
And no, it isn't out of focus, it was 94* the day it was taken and what you're seeing is the heat coming off the runway.  Check it out at...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiSSGU7wmMA#GU5U2spHI_4

Mark S.


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