X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net ([166.102.165.170] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2925821 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 16 May 2008 22:56:56 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=166.102.165.170; envelope-from=montyr2157@alltel.net Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([98.20.147.33]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080517025617.WDDU6512.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:56:17 -0500 Received: from Thorstwin ([98.20.147.33]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with SMTP id <20080517025617.UDIU6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@Thorstwin> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:56:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01a001c8b7c9$9a6ca4e0$6501a8c0@Thorstwin> From: "M Roberts" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Drawing Programs Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:56:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019D_01C8B79F.B17A1430" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019D_01C8B79F.B17A1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Monty, Cost aside, can you go a little into how user friendly this software = is? For comparison I've messed around a little with Pro E and = Solidworks. More with Pro E. I find Pro E excruciating to work with, = Solidworks considerably better. Probably one of those things where once = you use it some it gets way better. I just dont have the spare time to = invest a week to learn how to create a simple part. For the crippled post 30 day version can you still generate useful = output files? Or is this one of those deals where you can model a part = but not save, close, and reopen the model? The crippled demo version I = had of Solidworks wouldnt allow you to actually save anything. Mike Wills Mike, If you can use either ProE or Solid works, you'll be like a duck in = water with Alibre. Same sort of concept.=20 Sketches control features. Drawings flow from the solid. The hardest part for people who have zero experience is going to be the = Parametric Sketching thing. Applying constraints can be a real PITA. That is what was so good about the old UG. It was parametric without the = sketch based crap. That was always the problem with ProE. You couldn't = do anything unless it was completely constrained. and everything was = tied to everything. I used to torture their sales people. I could make = it Puke in 30 seconds flat.=20 Alibre has some of those problems with sketches blowing up etc. But it = will let you proceed without fully constrained sketches. I think the crippled version limits how big the assembly can be and some = of the more advanced features drop off. It's only $250 or so to get the = hobby version. Monty ------=_NextPart_000_019D_01C8B79F.B17A1430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Monty,

Cost aside, can you go a = little into how=20 user friendly this software is? For comparison I've messed around a = little with=20 Pro E and Solidworks. More with Pro E. I find Pro E excruciating to = work=20 with, Solidworks considerably better. Probably one of those things where = once=20 you use it some it gets way better. I just dont have the spare time to = invest a=20 week to learn how to create a simple part.

For the crippled post 30 day = version can=20 you still generate useful output files? Or is this one of those deals = where you=20 can model a part but not save, close, and reopen the model? The = crippled=20 demo version I had of Solidworks wouldnt allow you to actually save=20 anything.

Mike Wills

Mike,

If you can use either ProE or Solid = works, you'll=20 be like a duck in water with Alibre. Same sort of concept.

Sketches control features.

Drawings flow from the = solid.

The hardest part for people who have = zero=20 experience is going to be the Parametric Sketching thing. Applying = constraints=20 can be a real PITA.

That is what was so good about the old = UG. It was=20 parametric without the sketch based crap. That was always the problem = with ProE.=20 You couldn't do anything unless it was completely constrained. and = everything=20 was tied to everything. I used to torture their sales people. I could = make it=20 Puke in 30 seconds flat.

Alibre has some of those problems with = sketches=20 blowing up etc. But it will let you proceed without fully constrained=20 sketches.

I think the crippled version limits how = big the=20 assembly can be and some of the more advanced features drop off. It's = only $250=20 or so to get the hobby version.

Monty

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