Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #42876
From: M Roberts <montyr2157@alltel.net>
Subject: Drawing Programs
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:58:22 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
Monty, Are you SURE you’re not selling this J
 
Well, lets just say that after 10+ years of being used.......well......roughly by many other cad vendors, such that some of Ernest's bio engineered Vaseline would have been a much welcome relief.......
 
It's nice to have a company in the cad world that doesn't bend you over every chance they get.
 
Catia...forget it. Think Reverse Polish Sadomasochism with high voltage.
 
Alias- If you wear a black turtle neck, and little round purple glasses and think a milling machine should look like a butterfly, plus you don't mind spending multiple  tens of thousands of dollars for something Rhino can do.....this is for you.
 
Unigraphics- $24K just to get started.....$3-5K/ year maintenance. $75K for a full license. Used to be really good...now not so much.
 
ProE...not much better
 
Autoscam...an expensive joke..... The rainbow water vac of the cad world. Autocad sales people are right in there with Amway.. (BobCad is about the same) I expect that bearded guy who screams a lot to start selling these late at night on cable.
 
Solidworks....$4-6K..... better but still 1K maintenance once a year ......a mean drunk that is nice when sober.
 
Solid Edge...more of the same
 
Plus these @#$$@## change everything around every year....they don't actually make improvements mind you , they just move everything around so you can't get anything done.....so they can sell you training......I have another word for it, but that's what they call it.
 
 
 
The good guys:
 
Rhino-Excellent surfacing package for a reasonable price....solids suck however and non-parametric. for $1K reasonable upgrades about every 2 years that actually improve the software.
 
Alibre-Excellent solid modeling package with assemblies and all the trimmings. Every upgrade is actually an upgrade and reasonably priced.
 
I have a secret wish that everybody in the experimental aviation world learn to use this stuff so we can share parts and data...Think print a plane open source with everybody making continuous improvements and upgrades.
 
Plus payback is a bitch. I hope all the aforementioned thieves go the way of the Sun Workstation. I've paid them enough to buy a very nice Bavarian auto over the years and gotten nothing but grief.
 
As to the learning Curve. I can't give a realistic estimate, because I've been doing this so long with so many different packages that I can pick up anything in a couple hours (except for BobCad which is so horribly clunky I gave up after 10 min). There are a lot of low time people who have indicated that they found Alibre much easier to pick up than some of the other packages.
 
I could possibly be persuaded to give a workshop on this stuff at Tracy's. There are some logistics involved that could be problematic. Like anybody who want's to participate has to bring a laptop with the software already installed and know how to use a mouse.
 
Monty
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