X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.250] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2923315 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:42:09 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.132.250; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b38so98909ana.81 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 08:41:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=iAJEsnaNEgyVdRIDBTZHEcX8l2SWhi8y5PtJIOqpFA8=; b=TF4I8CZTis6pBdRjuTchSjCIKkVr31j4qLDZoxQyp0VmfbyHs1wFDEns78meL83LybMBA/au397M85XVVJxgcJkzmJBjAVtLLsH0hgvzlkRpro5ht4lHQKDGumfGEo/qu8YIuzHXCvUoSM+5SukIYeKFi28EHyXnyjudJ1atDZI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HH6x8rYcTVhI+lwwpnucdHEbRgG7y3oP1lF7+v4LlTY89yVyf+w5uSm6AbEMbdN0TEhn/67qs79611ZpUEcAq8S7d6kRGbefRvcOE2MRXwwojSFluyQBbOe3D66bkiqb7yHtbJy3jJkjqOTLFlreDRsDzb0wR8tf/dAsOr3iIis= Received: by 10.100.108.20 with SMTP id g20mr3190741anc.106.1210866089959; Thu, 15 May 2008 08:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.133.10 with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 08:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1b4b137c0805150841i2eb667a0x9d22f2b28ab435b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:41:29 -0400 From: "Tracy Crook" Sender: rwstracy@gmail.com To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Renewable Aviation Fuel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10428_574652.1210866089941" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: b1997edf615c8e8b ------=_Part_10428_574652.1210866089941 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Enjoying this discussion a lot. Wish I had more time to kick around some thoughts on it at length. I think about this political / technical / economic puzzle a lot while trying to make sense of it and think (like everyone else : ) that I've figured some of it out. Not enough time to give the background right now but my conclusion is that the current 'oil crisis' is a temporary and artificially induced thing and will last long enough to 're-calibrate' energy research, usage and priorities. (2 - 4 years is my WAG) In an ideal world it would not be necessary but given all the variables and imperfections (a book length list) in the real world, it might even have been the right thing to do, and no, this is not coming from the 'green' perspective. What makes me angry is the fact that none of our 'leaders' will come close to saying what they know to be true. We like to criticize their apparent stupidity but the fact is that there are some pretty smart people in Washington who have unlimited access to expert scientific opinion. The 800 pound gorilla that we are ignoring is that they can't possibly be this stupid. True, they are lying, power hungry political animals focused mainly on maintaining that power but this apparent level of stupidity is incompatible with their success at what they do. Again, they can't be that stupid. The thing that pisses me off is that they believe we (as a nation) are. The thing that pisses me off even more is that they might be right. Was Jack Nicholson right with that line in "A Few Good Men", "We can't handle the truth" ? The fact remains that a Leaders job is to tell us the truth whether we can handle it or not and they have failed that test miserably. But back to how this affects us. I agree with several opinions already posted here. Don't cancel your plans for aircraft building. Energy is not destined to go up in price forever and the current conditions are temporary. There will be fuel for airplanes that we can afford. Tracy On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Michael Silvius wrote: > > > Be aware that if you brew your own though, the Tax man will want his cut on > it as you are not paying the road tax on the pump stuff. There have been > cases where the govt has come after folks for it in particular the more > vocal about it. Especially if you wear a bumper sticker advertising "this > car runs on veggie oil" or some such claim. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Christopher Barber > > Well put Monty. I have been running my Jetta TDI on biodiesel since the > day I purchased it new in Oct 2005. The MPG have gone up and if I keep my > lead foot to around 65 mph I am averaging 41 ish MPG in mixed driving. > > > ------=_Part_10428_574652.1210866089941 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Enjoying this discussion a lot.  Wish I had more time to kick around some thoughts on it at length.  I think about this political / technical / economic puzzle a lot while trying to make sense of it and think (like everyone else : )  that I've figured some of it out. 
 
 Not enough time to give the background right now but my conclusion is that the current 'oil crisis'  is a temporary and artificially induced thing and will last long enough to 're-calibrate' energy research, usage and priorities.  (2 - 4 years is my WAG)   In an ideal world it would not be necessary but given all the variables and imperfections (a book length list) in the real world, it might even have been the right thing to do, and no, this is not coming from the 'green' perspective.
 
What makes me angry is the fact that none of our 'leaders' will come close to saying what they know to be true.  We like to criticize their apparent stupidity but the fact is that there are some pretty smart people in Washington who have unlimited access to expert scientific opinion.  The 800 pound gorilla that we are ignoring is that they can't possibly be this stupid.   True, they are lying, power hungry political animals focused mainly on maintaining that power but this apparent level of stupidity is incompatible with their success at what they do.  Again, they can't be that stupid.  The thing that pisses me off is that they believe we (as a nation) are.   The thing that pisses me off even more is that they might be right.
 
Was Jack Nicholson right with that line in "A Few Good Men", "We can't handle the truth" ?
 
The fact remains that a Leaders job is to tell us the truth whether we can handle it or not and they have failed that test miserably.
 
But back to how this affects us.  I agree with several opinions already posted here.  Don't cancel your plans for aircraft building.  Energy is not destined to go up in price forever and the current conditions are temporary. There will be fuel for airplanes that we can afford.
 
Tracy
 
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net> wrote:
 
 
Be aware that if you brew your own though, the Tax man will want his cut on it as you are not paying the road tax on the pump stuff. There have been cases where the govt has come after folks for it in particular the more vocal about it. Especially if you wear a bumper sticker advertising "this car runs on veggie oil" or some such claim.
 
Michael
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Well put Monty.  I have been running my Jetta TDI on biodiesel since the day I purchased it new in Oct 2005.  The MPG have gone up and if I keep my lead foot to around 65 mph I am averaging 41 ish MPG in mixed driving.
 

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