Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #42527
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Bill Dube and Killacycle?
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:43:29 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Thanks, Mike, for the synopsis on the battery technology.  I doubt I will ever fly in an electrical propelled aircraft - but dropping weight with better, lighter  batteries at a reasonable cost is always attractive.
 
I don't guess you have heard from Bill Dube recently??
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Wills
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bill Dube and Killacycle?

The Killacycle uses lithium phosphate batteries manufactured by the A123 company. Look up A123 on Wikipedia for details. The A123 cells are the ones used by Dewalt in their high end lithium power tools.
 
The A123 cells have been used quite a bit by the RC crowd as an alternative to lithium polymers which have been pretty popular in RC for a few years. In fact lithium polymer has really made electric powered RC flight possible/practical. Compared to lithium polymer the A123 cells have a lower power density, are heavier, and are far less volatile to use than lithium polymer. They are also cheaper due to their high volume use by Dewalt compared to the relatively low volume RC market for li-poly. As far as I know there is still no way for an end user to buy A123s as raw cells. The guys using them in RC buy Dewalt battery packs and hack them. For guys looking for a cheaper electric alternative to li-poly who dont need max performance the A123 cells are a good choice.
 
Li-poly is still the only battery technology that I know of that has the potential to actually power a man carrying aircraft. In fact they are currently being used in several European self launch sailplane designs. There is also a guy here in the US marketing a Ultralight trike that is electric powered and he has an electric self launch sailplane almost ready to fly.
 
Still electric power is a niche that isnt yet practical for most pilots. Li-polys are expensive, still considerably heavier than gasoline with less energy density, and are potentially very hazardous if mishandled or damaged.
 
Mike Wills
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 7:23 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Bill Dube and Killacycle?

I saw the battery powered  Killacycle drag racing on TV last night against a gasoline powered drag cycle in the quarter mile.  They both hit 160 mph with the gasoline cycle bearly beating the Killacycle by a small margin.  Speaking of which has anyone heard anything recently from Bill Dube and his very interesting work on that new type of battery??
 
Here is a video link to one of the killacycle's burnout and drag races for those of you not familiar with the work Bill has done. 
 
Bill Dube are you still one the list???
 
 
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