Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP id 2706807 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 14:17:48 -0500 Received: from rv8 (12-225-206-211.client.attbi.com[12.225.206.211]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003110219174101300odqque>; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:17:41 +0000 Message-ID: <00ef01c3a176$445f6060$d3cee10c@rv8> From: "kevin lane" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Shady Bend and Weather-I'm finally home Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:18:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C3A132.FE457F30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C3A132.FE457F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will probably write the trip up for the newsletter, but I payed big = time for that "longest traveled" award. I finally got home Saturday = after flying down and around to LA to miss weather, close to 6000nm. = total. I almost made an off field landing near Ely, NV after weather = went to hell. there was a hole and I popped out at 15,500'. had to = file a report with flight watch for that one. the more I fly an RV, the = more I appreciate it's design and performance. I saw ground speeds on = the way home from 61 kts to 169 kts as I battled immense headwinds. = 100+ kt headwind one place, a new personal record, this at about 1000' = agl. it's good to be home, my neck is killing me, but I'm home. weather went = to hell here today, so I'm glad I pushed my way through despite feeling = like hell. I hangar mate came out to the airport to put my plane away, = that's how bad I felt on arrival. But, it was quite memorable to stay = with Tracy and Laura and talk airplanes. probably the most beneficial = to me was the evening of a hands-on talk about various engine parts, as = we picked through Tracy's extensive collection of stuff. now to dig = thru 150+ msgs :-) Kevin Lane Portland, OR e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net web-> http://home.comcast.net/~n3773 (browse w/ internet explorer) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Shady Bend and Weather and the EDDIE Hi Folks, Just got home after 5 "terrible" days of being stuck in Shady Bend = due to weather {:>). I mean how much worst could of it have been? = Stuck there with 5 guys who knew nothing to talk about but rotary = engines and aircraft, day and night. Just Pizza and beer to sustain us = (with an occasional donut - for vitamins) and Coffee to keep us awake. = It was as close to heaven as it comes for a rotary flier. Sorry the = rest of you were able to drive out and therefore missed the post event = activity. Yes, I know some of you had exciting adventures of your own = returning on our commercial air carriers - but, don't think they beat = the post event activities {:>) As everyone has mentioned, Tracy and Laura, produced a great event. = Well, to be more accurate, Laura, produced a great event and Tracy went = along for the ride {:>). Couldn't imagine two more gracious = host/hostess who not only worked their butts off to bring off the event, = but then were stuck for 5 more days with 4 of us. Three who couldn't = get out due to weather. Well, Laura could only stand so much and left = for Atlanta on Tuesday morning - leaving us guys to fin for ourselves - = the house is still standing, Laura. I think various reports have covered the events without me taking up = disk space repeating them. I just wanted to state that it was great = meeting some of you finally face to face, who I have chatted with for = several years over the e mail . Of course, great to again see those of = you who I had met before (even If I didn't always remember). =20 I was greatly honored be presented an award for my efforts to get = stories published on the flying rotaries. I am certain my old English = Teacher is smiling up in heaven and recalling when a young 12 year old = told her "... twarn't nuting 'portant - 'cept Math and Science" as she = tried to (rightly) convey how important communication skills were - even = for budding Engineers and Scientist. {:>) EDDIE I greatly appreciate the opportunity to present the EDDIE = Presentation to those of you there. It seems to have stood up well to = the inquiring minds present {:>). I hope in the not too distance future = to refine the value bounds for some of the variables in the equation, = but nothing was brought up (to my knowledge) that raised any doubt as to = the logic and structure of the basic EDDIE equations. So I feel fairly = comfortable that it represents a reasonably sound (no pun intended) = mathematical analysis of the phenomena and small advancement of our = rotary knowledge. For those of you who have inquired about the EDDIE presentation. An = effort was made to video tape it, however, I am not certain it was = totally successful - Tracy and Laura will let us know as soon as they = find out. I am going to attempt to put the presentation slides into PDF = format and Laura Crook has offered to put it on there RWS web page for = all (who are interested) to view. I need to write some script to go = with the slides, so it may be a week or two for me to get that finished = and then of course however, long it may take Laura to put it on the RWS = web page. Unusually Happening #147 to Ed Anderson Jim Mosur and I launched from Shady Bend around 0830. Kevin had = unfortunately done one of those things that no one else has ever done - = leaving his master own after returning from giving rides in his great = looking RV at Shady Bend. But, as we left Tracy had hooked up a battery = charger, so I'm certain that small problem was quickly corrected. Crossed the Okefenokee swamp at 5500 MSL, where I noticed that my oil = pressure began to fluctuate about the time I was dead center over the = Swamp. It appears that the fluctuation I thought I had imagined when I = shut the engine off when my exhaust pipe backed out of its header was = indeed real. The oil pressure which is normally rock solid at around 70 psi was = slowly wiggling its way up to 90 psi in 5 - 10 psi fluctuations. I = could detect no other indication that there might be a problem. But, = I'll tell you that I kept an eye out for clear cut areas, dirt roads, = anything that might possibly provide solid ground to touch down on = should I have to. Needless to say there would be no "precautionary" = shut downs of the engine over this swamp. But things like that do tend = to raise the pucker factor a bit {:>). Made it across the swamp and on to Way-Cross, Georgia where Jim and I = topped off the tanks and then Jim Launched headed to Canada trying to = get there before the next front rolls through and I headed for = Charlotte, NC. Well, on this leg, the oil pressure was again jumping = and now going up over 100 psi. I was beginning to suspect that there = was no real problem (at least it wasn't falling oil pressure) as there = was no other indication of a problem. I thought that if it were an oil problem it must be associated with my = recent reinstallation of the redrive and was wondering if I could do any = airborne analysis to find out. So I decided to pull a fraction of a "G" = to see the results. As soon as I put "Positive" loading on the = airframe, the oil pressure immediately dropped back to 70psi for a few = moments, before again wiggling back up to over 100 psi. =20 Aha! That provided the input to decide on the most likely cause of = the oil pressure fluctuation. Yes, you guessed it. Apparently the = electrical terminal to the oil pressure sensor can is loose. Several = more pull ups confirmed that with "Positive Gs" the terminal apparently = would make adequate contact. Negative "G's produced no effect. The = sensor/gauge combination I have, go to maximum reading on the gauge if = the ground connection fails, so this appears to be a intermittent = contact problem causing the gauge to bounce. So made the rest of the trip a bit more relaxed and got home around = 12:30. Too beat to take the cowl off to check the oil pressure sensor = terminal, so will do that this weekend. Again, I had a great time and enjoyed it enormously. See you there = next year. Best Regards Ed Ed Anderson RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C3A132.FE457F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will probably write the = trip up for the=20 newsletter, but I payed big time for that "longest traveled" = award.  I=20 finally got home Saturday after flying down and around to LA to miss = weather,=20 close to 6000nm. total.  I almost made an off field landing near = Ely, NV=20 after weather went to hell.  there was a hole and I popped out at=20 15,500'.  had to file a report with flight watch for that = one.  the=20 more I fly an RV, the more I appreciate it's design and = performance.  I saw=20 ground speeds on the way home from 61 kts to 169 kts as I battled = immense=20 headwinds.  100+ kt headwind one place, a new personal record, this = at=20 about 1000' agl.
it's good to be home, my neck = is killing=20 me, but I'm home.  weather went to hell here today, so I'm glad I = pushed my=20 way through despite feeling like hell.  I hangar mate came out to = the=20 airport to put my plane away, that's how bad I felt on arrival.  = But, it=20 was quite memorable to stay with Tracy and Laura and talk = airplanes. =20 probably the most beneficial to me was the evening of a hands-on talk = about=20 various engine parts, as we picked through Tracy's extensive collection = of=20 stuff.  now to dig thru 150+ msgs :-)
Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net
web-> http://home.comcast.net/~n3773
(browse=20 w/ internet explorer)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, = 2003 5:36=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Shady Bend = and=20 Weather and the EDDIE

Hi Folks,
 
    Just got home = after 5=20 "terrible" days of being stuck in Shady Bend due to weather = {:>).  I=20 mean how much worst could of it have been?  Stuck there with 5 = guys who=20 knew nothing to talk about but rotary engines and aircraft, day and=20 night.  Just Pizza and beer to sustain us (with an occasional = donut - for=20 vitamins) and Coffee to keep us awake.  It was as close to heaven = as it=20 comes for a rotary flier.  Sorry the rest of you were able to = drive out=20 and therefore missed the post event activity.  Yes, I know some = of you=20 had exciting adventures of your own returning on our commercial air = carriers -=20 but, don't think they beat the post event activities = {:>)
 
  As everyone has mentioned, = Tracy and=20 Laura, produced a great event.   Well, to be more accurate, = Laura,=20 produced a great event and Tracy went along for the ride = {:>). =20 Couldn't imagine two more gracious host/hostess who not only worked = their=20 butts off to bring off the event, but then were stuck for 5 more days=20 with 4 of us.  Three who couldn't get out due to=20 weather.  Well, Laura could only stand so much and left for = Atlanta on=20 Tuesday morning - leaving us guys to fin for ourselves - the house is = still=20 standing, Laura.
 
  I think various reports have = covered the=20 events without me taking up disk space repeating them.  I just = wanted to=20 state that it was great meeting some of you finally face to face, =  who I=20 have chatted with for several years over the e mail .  Of=20 course, great  to again see those of you who I had met = before (even=20 If I didn't always remember). 
 
   I was greatly honored be = presented=20 an award for my efforts to get stories published on the flying = rotaries. =20 I am certain my old English Teacher is smiling up in heaven and = recalling when=20 a young 12 year old told her "... twarn't nuting 'portant = - 'cept=20 Math and Science" as she tried to (rightly) convey how = important=20 communication skills were - even for budding Engineers and Scientist.=20 {:>)
 
 EDDIE
 
  I greatly appreciate the = opportunity to=20 present the EDDIE Presentation to those of you there.  It seems = to have=20 stood up well to the inquiring minds present {:>). I = hope  in the=20 not too distance future to refine  the value bounds for some of = the=20 variables in the equation, but nothing was brought up (to my = knowledge) that=20 raised any doubt as to the logic and structure of the basic EDDIE = equations.  So I feel fairly comfortable that it represents a = reasonably=20 sound (no pun intended) mathematical analysis of the phenomena and = small=20 advancement of our rotary knowledge.
 
  For those of you who have = inquired about=20 the EDDIE presentation.  An effort was made to video tape it, = however, I=20 am not certain it was totally successful - Tracy and Laura will let us = know as=20 soon as they find out.  I am going to attempt to put the = presentation=20 slides into PDF format and Laura Crook has offered to put it on there = RWS web=20 page for all (who are interested) to view.  I need to write some = script=20 to go with the slides, so it may be a week or two for me to get that = finished=20 and then of course however, long it may take Laura to put it on the = RWS web=20 page.
 
Unusually Happening #147 to = Ed=20 Anderson
 
Jim Mosur and I launched from Shady = Bend around=20 0830.  Kevin had unfortunately done one of those things that no = one else=20 has ever done - leaving his master own after returning from giving = rides in=20 his great looking RV at Shady Bend.  But, as we left Tracy had = hooked up=20 a battery charger, so I'm certain that small problem was quickly=20 corrected.
 
Crossed the Okefenokee swamp at 5500 = MSL, where I=20 noticed that my oil pressure began to fluctuate about the time I was = dead=20 center over the Swamp.  It appears that the fluctuation I thought = I had=20 imagined when I shut the engine off when my exhaust pipe backed out of = its=20 header was indeed real.
 
The oil pressure which is normally = rock solid at=20 around 70 psi was slowly wiggling its way up to 90 psi in 5 - 10 psi=20 fluctuations.  I could detect no other indication that there = might be a=20 problem.  But, I'll tell you that I kept an eye out for clear cut = areas,=20 dirt roads, anything that might possibly provide solid ground to touch = down on=20 should I have to.  Needless to say there would be no = "precautionary" shut=20 downs of the engine over this swamp.  But things like that do = tend to=20 raise the pucker factor a bit {:>).
 
Made it across the swamp and on to = Way-Cross,=20 Georgia where Jim and I topped off the tanks and then Jim Launched = headed to=20 Canada trying to get there before the next front rolls through and I = headed=20 for Charlotte, NC.  Well, on this leg, the oil pressure was again = jumping=20 and now going up over 100 psi.  I was beginning to suspect that = there was=20 no real problem (at least it wasn't falling oil pressure) as there was = no=20 other indication of a problem.
 
I thought that if it were an oil = problem it must=20 be associated with my recent reinstallation of the redrive and was = wondering=20 if I could do any airborne analysis to find out.  So I decided to = pull a=20 fraction of a "G" to see the results.  As soon as I put = "Positive"=20 loading on the airframe, the oil pressure immediately dropped back to = 70psi=20 for a few moments, before again wiggling back up to over 100 = psi. =20
 
 Aha!  That provided the = input to=20 decide on the most likely cause of the oil pressure fluctuation.  = Yes,=20 you guessed it.  Apparently the electrical terminal to the oil = pressure=20 sensor can is loose.  Several more pull ups confirmed that with = "Positive=20 Gs" the terminal apparently would make adequate contact.  = Negative "G's=20 produced no effect.  The sensor/gauge combination I have, go to = maximum=20 reading on the gauge if the ground connection fails, so this appears = to be a=20 intermittent contact problem causing the gauge to bounce.
 
So made the rest of the trip a bit=20 more relaxed and got home around 12:30. Too beat to take the cowl = off to=20 check the oil pressure sensor terminal, so will do that this=20 weekend.
 
Again, I had a great time and enjoyed = it=20 enormously.  See you there next year.
 
Best Regards
 
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary=20 Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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