X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2738400 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:31:25 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.40; envelope-from=hoursaway1@comcast.net Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rqFM1Y0030QuhwU540Dq00; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:30:14 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter90.comcast.net ([204.127.197.190]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rsWe1Y00646xfYU3N00000; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:30:38 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KstPmZXTIeP9iVOLdkhy4w==:17 a=arxwEM4EAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=QdXCYpuVAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=E76jHMXvZuZVbNpdRmMA:9 a=2s9yZNU2925WV4J5alQA:7 a=Jt5N2tzbmHrCdpQ6sC5GgWqxHEoA:4 a=6wtEEXghtLAA:10 a=hoBPgcoGsSlHUfQqYJkA:7 a=6dzrmsbHfq-g9GQsKBFZ15oA7eQA:4 a=rvoJRkvNiYoA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [208.254.22.50] by rmailcenter90.comcast.net; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:30:38 +0000 From: hoursaway1@comcast.net To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Gaylen Okay? Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:30:38 +0000 Message-Id: <022020081630.29817.47BC55AD000B9835000074792206824693CE970E990E9C9D9A0108@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: aG91cnNhd2F5MUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29817_1203525038_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29817_1203525038_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WELL SAID ED, GLAD TO HERE YOU ARE OK GAYLEN. IT IS NOT ONLY AIRCRAFT THAT CAN GET YOU, 6 YEARS AGO MY NEIGHBORS SON WAS CAUGHT IN A HIGH SPEED CHINE WALK IN A GO FAST BOAT, JUST OUT HAVING FUN. HE WAS 28. DAVID RV6A ROTARY. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ed Anderson" > Thanks for the first hand account, Gaylen > > Really sorry to hear about your mishap - but very glad it ended with no > injury. Making the right decision in fractions of seconds is always to be > commended. You clearly did - as you walked away uninjured and no innocents > endangered. As hard as it must be to see your baby dented and crumpled, > airplanes can be rebuilt (or new ones built). > > I had a somewhat similar incident happen to me about 6 years ago. Aborted > take off due to engine problem immediately after lift off. Made the > decision to try to set it back down on the 2200 ft runway as there was no > suitable off-field landing area (always easier to make a decision when there > is no choice). Touched down around 75 MPH 300 ft from end of runway and > was certain I had made the wrong choice as the end of the runway hurled at > me. Fortunately with a nose wheel up front I could apply maximum braking > and left 300 ft of rubber on the runway before ending up 12 ft off the end > in the grass about 60 ft short of a ravine. Fortunately only nerves and > seat cushion damaged. The HALTECH ECU I was using at the time ended up > failing completely one week later, fortunately during a ground run up to try > an determine the initial problem. > > There is no doubt using experimental engines does add an element of risk - > on the other hand, its not like Lycoming powered aircraft have not > encountered similar situation a number of times. > > Best Regards and thanks again > > Ed > > Ed Anderson > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > Matthews, NC > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > http://www.andersonee.com > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gaylen Lerohl" > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:54 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Gaylen Okay? > > > >I can flesh out the accident report a bit. After a normal runup and > >take-off roll on Runway 31 the engine failed about midfield. The airport > >property comes to a point just SE of the end of the departure end of 31 > >with a highway on the east and another on the south side of the airport > >fence. The prop wound down in about 2 seconds and stopped. I was too high > >and fast to land on the remaining runway and too low to glide beyond the > >roads off the end of the runway. Landing straight ahead would have put me > >on the road. Turning to the right and getting to the ground as soon as > >possible to try to stay within the airport fence seemed my only option. > >(Yes I know, landing straight ahead is the only acceptable procedure but > >dumping it on the busy road would assure injuries to innocents as well as > >myself ) > > > > I rolled in full flaps, put the nose down and rolled about a 50 degree > > bank. I held 70 kt to the ground pulling as much turn as I dared to avoid > > a stall, attempted to level, touched down right wing low in two feet of > > snow, and skidded about 125 feet to a stop 100 feet from the fence. I > > quickly shut off the electric busses and exited the airplane. The right > > wing is bent and the right fuel tank ruptured. The gear splayed outward > > but was still supporting the airplane. Both fuel tank leading edge attach > > points pulled free as Van designed them. The five point harness, pulled > > snug, held me firmly in place. Crushing of the gear towers absorbed the > > shock and I had no injuries. > > > > The airplane has flown about 80 hours and 20 hours ground running. I have > > run diagnostics on the engine and do not know why it failed. The tanks > > were full, I had normal fuel pressure as I began the TO roll. The pumps > > still maintain fuel pressure. Using the diagnostic modes, there is still > > ignition and the injectors click normally. The prop is broken so I > > haven't attempted a start. I will not purchase the salvage to rebuild the > > airplane. I am fortunate that there were no injuries nor property damage. > > > > Gaylen Lerohl > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bulent Aliev" > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:35 PM > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Gaylen Okay? > > > > > >> NTSB Identification: CHI08CA057. > >> The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please > >> contact Records Management Division > >> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation > >> Accident occurred Sunday, December 30, 2007 in Alexandria, MN > >> Aircraft: Lerohl RV-8, registration: N5093F > >> Injuries: 1 Uninjured. > >> > >> The pilot reported that he conducted a preflight and run-up of the > >> amateur-built experimental airplane, and he reported that it was > >> operating normally. The airplane had climbed to 200 - 300 feet at 90 > >> knots when the engine lost power. The pilot executed a forced landing to > >> the airport property. The airplane landed hard and the main landing gear > >> collapsed. The airplane and engine were inspected but the reason for the > >> loss of power was not determined. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: > > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29817_1203525038_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
WELL SAID ED, GLAD TO HERE YOU ARE OK GAYLEN. IT IS NOT ONLY AIRCRAFT THAT CAN GET YOU, 6 YEARS AGO MY NEIGHBORS SON WAS CAUGHT IN A HIGH SPEED CHINE WALK IN A GO FAST BOAT, JUST OUT HAVING FUN. HE WAS 28.                    DAVID  RV6A  ROTARY.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>

> Thanks for the first hand account, Gaylen
>
> Really sorry to hear about your mishap - but very glad it ended with no
> injury. Making the right decision in fractions of seconds is always to be
> commended. You clearly did - as you walked away uninjured and no innocents
> endangered. As hard as it must be to see your baby dented and crumpled,
> airplanes can be rebuilt (or new ones built).
>
> I had a somewhat similar incident happen to me about 6 years ago. Aborted
> take off due to engine problem immediately after lift off. Made the
> decision to try to set it back down on the 2200 ft runway as there was no
> suitable off-field landing area (always easier to make a decision when there
> is no ch oice). Touched down around 75 MPH 300 ft from end of runway and
> was certain I had made the wrong choice as the end of the runway hurled at
> me. Fortunately with a nose wheel up front I could apply maximum braking
> and left 300 ft of rubber on the runway before ending up 12 ft off the end
> in the grass about 60 ft short of a ravine. Fortunately only nerves and
> seat cushion damaged. The HALTECH ECU I was using at the time ended up
> failing completely one week later, fortunately during a ground run up to try
> an determine the initial problem.
>
> There is no doubt using experimental engines does add an element of risk -
> on the other hand, its not like Lycoming powered aircraft have not
> encountered similar situation a number of times.
>
> Best Regards and thanks again
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> ; eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> http://www.andersonee.com
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gaylen Lerohl"
> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:54 AM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Gaylen Okay?
>
>
> >I can flesh out the accident report a bit. After a normal runup and
> >take-off roll on Runway 31 the engine failed about midfield. The airport
> >property comes to a point just SE of the end of the departure end of 31
> >with a highway on the east and another on the south side of the airport
> >fence. The prop wound down in about 2 seconds and stopped. I was too high
> >and fast to land on the remaining runway and too low to glide beyond the
> >roads off the end of t he runway. Landing straight ahead would have put me
> >on the road. Turning to the right and getting to the ground as soon as
> >possible to try to stay within the airport fence seemed my only option.
> >(Yes I know, landing straight ahead is the only acceptable procedure but
> >dumping it on the busy road would assure injuries to innocents as well as
> >myself )
> >
> > I rolled in full flaps, put the nose down and rolled about a 50 degree
> > bank. I held 70 kt to the ground pulling as much turn as I dared to avoid
> > a stall, attempted to level, touched down right wing low in two feet of
> > snow, and skidded about 125 feet to a stop 100 feet from the fence. I
> > quickly shut off the electric busses and exited the airplane. The right
> > wing is bent and the right fuel tank ruptured. The gear splayed outward
> > but was still supporting the airplane . Both fuel tank leading edge attach
> > points pulled free as Van designed them. The five point harness, pulled
> > snug, held me firmly in place. Crushing of the gear towers absorbed the
> > shock and I had no injuries.
> >
> > The airplane has flown about 80 hours and 20 hours ground running. I have
> > run diagnostics on the engine and do not know why it failed. The tanks
> > were full, I had normal fuel pressure as I began the TO roll. The pumps
> > still maintain fuel pressure. Using the diagnostic modes, there is still
> > ignition and the injectors click normally. The prop is broken so I
> > haven't attempted a start. I will not purchase the salvage to rebuild the
> > airplane. I am fortunate that there were no injuries nor property damage.
> >
> > Gaylen Lerohl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bulent Aliev"
> > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft"
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:35 PM
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Gaylen Okay?
> >
> >
> >> NTSB Identification: CHI08CA057.
> >> The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please
> >> contact Records Management Division
> >> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
> >> Accident occurred Sunday, December 30, 2007 in Alexandria, MN
> >> Aircraft: Lerohl RV-8, registration: N5093F
> >> Injuries: 1 Uninjured.
> >>
> >> The pilot reported that he conducted a preflight and run-up of the
> >> amateur-built experimental airplane, and he reported that it was
> >> operating normally. The airplane had climbed to 200 - 300 feet at 90
> >&g t; knots when the engine lost power. The pilot executed a forced landing to
> >> the airport property. The airplane landed hard and the main landing gear
> >> collapsed. The airplane and engine were inspected but the reason for the
> >> loss of power was not determined.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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> > Archive and UnSub:
> > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>
>
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