X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2575302 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:12:24 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.139.137; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id q.d52.1d523898 (60466) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D19 (fwm-d19.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.211]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM013-ec32475dc7ae295; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:11:42 -0500 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Hard starting - problem solved Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:11:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: wrjjrs@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CA09992977F042_734_6AC_FWM-D19.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33060-STANDARD Received: from 65.161.241.3 by FWM-D19.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:11:42 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA09992977F042-734-342@FWM-D19.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.211 X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MB_8CA09992977F042_734_6AC_FWM-D19.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Please understand that I was NOT trying to be critical of your efforts. You=20= did perform the MOST important part of the repair, you actually fixed the pr= oblem! I mentioned the old tech training comments because we ALL tend to byp= ass the simple problems. (To all of our peril.) I just like to remind everyo= ne to look through the basics first when encountering these problems. It wil= l often cut short your repairs because you find the simple problem. If you d= on't find a simple problem you are still ahead because you KNOW that you hav= en't forgotten everything. It is amazing how even successful people often st= art in the middle, mechanics wise. Some time I'll tell the story of the very= successful 2 stroke tuners that wouldn't believe us when we told them that=20= the charge in a 2 stroke engine went UNDER the piston and into the crankcase= first! These guys were building race-winning engines! They must have had a=20= BIG pile of cut-and-try cylinders behind their shop!=C2=A0 Cheers, happy flying! Bill Jepson=C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Steve Brooks To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 2:53 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hard starting - problem solved Bill, The spark plug without the conductor would definitely be a strange one.=C2= =A0 I do sometimes overlook the simple stuff.=C2=A0 I always assume that it= =E2=80=99s got to be something harder than what it usually turns out to be. The good news is, that I know for a fact that a lot of things on the engine=20= are in tip-top shape, after checking a lot of different things trying to fin= d it.=C2=A0 A few new electrical connectors.=C2=A0 Cleaned the injector conn= ectors, etc, etc. =C2=A0 Regards, Steve =C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behal= f Of WRJJRS@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:53 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hard starting - problem solved =C2=A0 In a message dated 12/8/2007 12:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, cozy4pilot@g= mail.com writes: While the turbo is at the shop, I'm going to pressurize the cooling system, just to make sure that I don't have any other leaks.=C2=A0 That way once the turbo comes back (3-4 weeks) I'll be all set to go. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Steve Brooks Cozy MKIV 13B Turbo Steve, =C2=A0You have shown people on the list TWO of the items that were drummed i= nto all of the Kawasaki technical training students when I was there. (A lon= g time ago, probably before dirt!)=20 1) Check the simple stuff first! (If the engine won't run check for gas in t= he fuel tank BEFORE any other=C2=A0check is made!) 2) If it was running well and you changed something and then it doesn't run=20= well find out what you messed up.=20 Not doing these things was grounds for failure. After checking the basics th= en continue downhill from there in a logical fashion. Some of the problems w= e gave candidates were diabolical, (clear nail polish on the spark plugs for= instance), but instructive. Later these mantras saved me when a spark plug=20= came from NGK that looked perfect, but lacked the copper core conductor. A p= roduction line fault. It doesn't happen often but it can happen. Glad that y= ou were able to find both problems on the ground! 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Steve,
Please understand that I was NOT trying to be critical of your efforts.= You did perform the MOST important part of the repair, you actually fixed t= he problem! I mentioned the old tech training comments because we ALL tend t= o bypass the simple problems. (To all of our peril.) I just like to remind e= veryone to look through the basics first when encountering these problems. I= t will often cut short your repairs because you find the simple problem. If=20= you don't find a simple problem you are still ahead because you KNOW that yo= u haven't forgotten everything. It is amazing how even successful people oft= en start in the middle, mechanics wise. Some time I'll tell the story of the= very successful 2 stroke tuners that wouldn't believe us when we told them=20= that the charge in a 2 stroke engine went UNDER the piston and into the cran= kcase first! These guys were building race-winning engines! They must have h= ad a BIG pile of cut-and-try cylinders behind their shop! 
Cheers, happy flying!
Bill Jepson 


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Brooks <cozy4pilot@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 2:53 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hard starting - problem solved

Bill,
The spark plug without the conductor would definitely b= e a strange one.  I do sometim= es overlook the simple stuff.  I always assume that it=E2=80=99s got to be something harder than what it u= sually turns out to be.
The good news is, that I know for a fact that a lot of=20= things on the engine are in tip-top shape, after checking a lot of different= things trying to find it.  A=20= few new electrical connectors.  Cleaned the injector connectors, etc, etc.
 
Regards,
Steve
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircr= aft [mailto:flyrotary@lancai= ronline.net]On Behalf Of WRJJRS@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2= 007 1:53 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraf= t
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Har= d starting - problem solved
 
In a message dated 12/8/2007 12:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, cozy4pilot@gmail.com writes:<= /FONT>
While the turbo is at the shop, I'm= going to pressurize the cooling system,
just to make sure that I don't have any other leaks.  That way once the=
turbo comes back (3-4 weeks) I'll be all set to go.

Thanks for all of the suggestions.

Steve Brooks
Cozy MKIV
13B Turbo
Steve,
 You have shown people on the list TWO of the items that were d= rummed into all of the Kawasaki technical training students when I was there= . (A long time ago, probably before dirt!)
1) Check the simple stuff first! (If the engine won't run check for=20= gas in the fuel tank BEFORE any other check is made!)
2) If it was running well and you changed something and then it does= n't run well find out what you messed up.
Not doing these things was grounds for failure. After checking the b= asics then continue downhill from there in a logical fashion. Some of the pr= oblems we gave candidates were diabolical, (clear nail polish on the spark p= lugs for instance), but instructive. Later these mantras saved me when a spa= rk plug came from NGK that looked perfect, but lacked the copper core conduc= tor. A production line fault. It doesn't happen often but it can happen. Gla= d that you were able to find both problems on the ground!
Bill Jepson

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