Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #40498
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: what are they
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:28:34 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I can't understand anybody not pouring over that reporting (repeatedly) it makes such interesting reading {:>))
 
 
However,  I have read the report  and  I agree the radiators they are discussing have no fins.  The report describes two type cores they tested.  One was the flat plate cores tested for heat transfer and a set of dummy cores made out of copper strips for testing drag and mass flow. Clearly the only one of interest regarding heat transfer are the actual flat plate cores. 
 
My interpretation of the flat plates cores  are they are constructed of a stack of  flat channels that run from one side  to the other and extending from the front of the core to the rear of the core.  So a stack of hollow, thin plates carrying the heated coolant which are like 9 - 13" deep (from front of core to rear of core), 1/8" thick and span across the width of the core. 
 
 Attached is a photo of one  extracted from the report - which is clearly quite thick, appears to have side tanks (holes on each side for coolant?) and a number of plates in the stack.  So, at least, conceptually (with the exception of no fins), the cores do not appear to be functionally different that my GM cores.  A number of stacked plates running from tank to tank, the plates being approx 1/8" thick and approx 3 1/2" deep and approx 10" wide - with plenty of fins of course.
 
They are certainly different in construction, bigger, thicker, etc than our cores, the data was extrapolated to cores just 4" thick (deep).  So while I agree they are certainly not a direct match, I am convinced that some of the test  results might have some applicability   to air flowing through our cores relative to heat extraction. After all we are flowing air over heated metal {:>)
 
I certainly agree that the drag of our finned radiators would be much higher, pressure drop greater - but what about the heat extracted per inch of thickness?.
 
However,  I thought the report  might be of interest because,  if was one of the few studies I have come across addressing the effects of core thickness on the parameters we are interested in.  At least it shows for those cores, that thickness does contribute significantly to heat rejection.
 
But, you may be correct - too different to be applicable.
 
Ed
 
 
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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:21 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: what are they

I don't think you guys are actually reading the NACA paper about these rads.
 
  The flat plate rads in the paper have NO FINS at all and do not have multiple layers of flat tubes, only a continuous flat tube from front to back (as much as 20" !!! ) with NO FINS on the tubes.  I have only seen this type of rad in a museum so I'm not surprised that people are a bit confused about this.  That is why I said this study is not applicable to our installations. 
 
Ed K.  may be correct that a similar core might be used inside water to oil coolers.
 
 
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