X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.136.170] (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2501937 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:37:23 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.136.170; envelope-from=BMears9413@aol.com Received: from BMears9413@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id q.d2a.1db4f8e4 (37134) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-DF03 (webmail-df03.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.67]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA028-910e4746f38325e; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:36:35 -0500 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Hard Starting Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:36:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bmears9413@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C9FBFDC4156A0A_9B0_9E44_WEBMAIL-DF03.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD Received: from 65.182.71.8 by WEBMAIL-DF03.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:36:35 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9FBFDC4156A0A-9B0-4DA5@WEBMAIL-DF03.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MB_8C9FBFDC4156A0A_9B0_9E44_WEBMAIL-DF03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A little trick we used to do on flooded motors or low compression motors, of you can get it in there, pour some ATF down the intake. About 1/2 a cup down each rotor. Gonna smoke like hell, but they will normally start up. BTW your turbo wont have anything to do with your starting. Bob Mears Supermarine Spitfire -----Original Message----- From: Steve Brooks To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 7:39 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Hard Starting I have an issue all of the sudden with my 13B Turbo not wanting to start. It will fire occasionally, but just won't start running. If I am persistent enough (and have enough battery), It will finally start, but does not run well. Seems to have a miss in it. It runs better if I turn the mixture to lean, in fact, I can turn the mixture all the way counter clock wise. I think that it used to die when I would do that. When I switch to controller B, it runs better for a few seconds, and then goes back to missing. It doesn't start any easier on controller B either. I haven't done a lot of troubleshooting on it yet, but wondered if anyone has had a similar issue. I did replace the spark plugs, but that didn't seem to help any. I still have the stock turbo on it, so, maybe the turbo is starting to go. It also started this problem, after I fixed a problem with the starter. My Cessna ignition switch got some water in it and it got to where it wouldn't engage the starter. I took it apart, and cleaned all of the contacts to fix it. I have that switch also wired to do the coil test when you select mag1 or mag2 on the switch. The coil test only works on controller B though, so I don't think that would affect controller A. I guess that maybe my next step is to verify that I'm getting spark on all plugs, and then maybe try removing the plumbing to the throttle body, and try starting it then. That should verify if my turbo is failing, and restricting air flow. Steve Brooks Cozy MKIV 13B Turbo -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ----------MB_8C9FBFDC4156A0A_9B0_9E44_WEBMAIL-DF03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
A little trick we used to do on flooded motors or low compression motors, of you can get it in there, pour some ATF down the intake. About 1/2 a cup down each rotor. Gonna smoke like hell, but they will normally start up. BTW your turbo wont have anything to do with your starting.
 
Bob Mears
Supermarine Spitfire


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Brooks <cozy4pilot@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 7:39 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Hard Starting

I have an issue all of the sudden with my 13B Turbo not wanting to start.
It will fire occasionally, but just won't start running.
If I am persistent enough (and have enough battery), It will finally start,
but does not run well. Seems to have a miss in it.  It runs better if I turn
the mixture to lean, in fact, I can turn the mixture all the way counter
clock wise.  I think that it used to die when I would do that.  When I
switch to controller B, it runs better for a few seconds, and then goes back
to missing.  It doesn't start any easier on controller B either.

I haven't done a lot of troubleshooting on it yet, but wondered if anyone
has had a similar issue. I did replace the spark plugs, but that didn't seem
to help any.  I still have the stock turbo on it, so, maybe the turbo is
starting to go.  It also started this problem, after I fixed a problem with
the starter.  My Cessna ignition switch got some water in it and it got to
where it wouldn't engage the starter.  I took it apart, and cleaned all of
the contacts to fix it.  I have that switch also wired to do the coil test
when you select mag1 or mag2 on the switch.  The coil test only works on
controller B though, so I don't think that would affect controller A.

I guess that maybe my next step is to verify that I'm getting spark on all
plugs, and then maybe try removing the plumbing to the throttle body, and
try starting it then.  That should verify if my turbo is failing, and
restricting air flow.  

Steve Brooks
Cozy MKIV 13B Turbo
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