X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail17.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.198] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTPS id 2500334 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:51:50 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.198; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d58-108-86-192.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.108.86.192]) by mail17.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id lAM6p3KA016850 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:51:04 +1100 Message-ID: <001101c82cd4$0d52d3c0$c0566c3a@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Fw: [Bulk] 16x Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:51:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > Ed, Lynn and Bill + > > This was posted to me privately and may help to clarify the specifications > of the 16x. Some of the info are estimations by Rolf Pfeiffer ex - NSU > engineer. > >> Hello George >> Nice to hear from you. Here is my assessment: > > Also info supplied by Don Sherman as follows:- > > I interviewed Seiji Tashima, the engineering expert for Mazda's new > rotary, at Tokyo on your behalf. Here are a few details he revealed: > Rotor width reduced by 5mm saves weight, improves apex seal performance > trochoid is 25mm wider, 35mm taller for more displacement and torque > would not reveal increase in eccentricity. New displacement is > 800cc/rotor. > > Aluminum end plates have plasma-sprayed wear surface direct and indirect > fuel injection. > > Torque gains come from longer e-dimension, more displacement, and direct > injection. > > He would not confirm 300 hp power goal. > All the gas seals are improved, with smaller flame holes adjacent to > spark plugs. > The 16x engine ran for the first time this year, full development will be > at least 2 more years. > > Engine weight is reduced from 125kg [275 pounds] to 100 kg [220 pounds]. > > Assessment by Rolf Pfeiffer as follows:- > >> /Now, using above dimensions we get the following: >> >> 25 mm wider means the short axis goes from 180 to 205 mm. >> 35 mm taller means the long axis goes from 240 to 275 mm. >> >> This results in E = 17.5 mm, and R = 120 mm. >> The old dimensions were E = 15 mm and R = 105 (including the radius of 3 >> mm for the apex seals). >> The ratio R/E is 6.857, down from 7.0. >> >> The ratio of stroke to piston area becomes higher which is what they >> want, I suppose. >> The RX7/8’s were 0.33 S/D, above numbers would be 0.3764, a substantial >> 14% improvement in ratio of stroke to equivalent piston diameter. A long >> stroke engine, so to speak. >> >> I also had stated that: >> NSU also went that direction with their latest developments before >> folding. >> We are lucky that Mazda has the financial means and does carry on. >> >> The last big NSU unit EA 871 was approximately like this: (Calculating >> back from its displacement and width. I had already left by then, so the >> info is calculated.) >> E = 17.28, R = 120.5, width = 69 (given), displacement = 746.6 cc >> (given). >> This is very close to what Mazda seems to be doing now, if above numbers >> are right. >> NSU had great hopes in that engine. It was used in a German fan-liner. It >> was the high point of the Wankel development at NSU. >> Then the money did run out. NSU was merged with AUDI, and VW the parent, >> killed it all. All further development was stopped. >> >> Fan Trainer: >> http://www.der-wankelmotor.de/Flugzeuge/RFB/rfb.html#Fanliner >> >> Regards >> Rolf >> >> >> George Lendich wrote: >>> Rolf, >>> Could you give me your assessment of the new 16X eccentric. If I >>> remember correctly you gave you assessment on Paul's site. There is >>> discussion on another site and I would like to pass it on to interested >>> parties. >>> Also if my memory serves me right, you mentioned a manufacturer was >>> working on a similar size ( change in eccentric) and what company that >>> was. >>> Am I wrong to believe it was the company you were working with at the >>> time? >>> George Lendich >