X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.118] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with SMTP id 2499891 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:52:01 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.199.118; envelope-from=ron2369@sbcglobal.net Received: (qmail 23758 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2007 21:51:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cVoV2j9vJh91rmjoKivAnS13HHR82SltFD2uh9KR5Hh57AZ1pLByKOrNGsX8J+nOFWbMqWi0D2MwwS0h8uZPxOqjReTucyevIzsk4PZriUvzkzLqXcyD7tVSb18cp8b9K/k620PzOpB+MikxbEyTIy48BiTL/lLdNoxsSbgg8Uk=; X-YMail-OSG: S4gnkEUVM1mYkocT9DGyMvUFeahKD4PEOvFwvICl.ov0VYmlWMxqNhfXZIDN.6koeyIssYtFBg-- Received: from [192.146.217.215] by web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:51:25 PST Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:51:25 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Springer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Naca Report on Radiator Thickness To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <265791.23755.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed, The most the rejected heat could change in this case is 300%. You made a 300% change in thickness which results in a 300% change in wetted surface area. Your number will be lower for a couple reasons: 1) Decreased mass flow (5% in your case) 2) Boundary layer thickness grows as you go deeper into the radiator. The last 1" of radiator will never be as effective as the first 1". I know your equations accounted for (1) but not sure about (2). I haven't checked your reference. The drag increase of 58% sounds way too low. You increased surface area by 300%. Unless mass flow decreased a lot (it didn't) or drag coefficient dropped a lot (it shouldn't), then this can't be right. Ron --- Ed Anderson wrote: > But in any case, assuming I did not screw up > someplace, here are the results I got when I changed > only the thickness of the radiator on drag, mass > flow and heat removal: > 1. The Drag (R) went from 4.28 lbf/ft2 to 6.77 > lbf/ft2 or a 58% increase presumably due to wall > friction > > 2. The Mass flow (M) decreased from 12.33 > lbm/ft^2/sec to 11.705 or a 5.13 % decrease > > 3. The Heat Rejected(Q) increased from 6.1707 > HP/100F to 23.66 HP/100F for a 283% increase