X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2496314 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:47:19 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.217.102; envelope-from=ceengland@bellsouth.net Received: from [209.215.63.234] (host-209-215-63-234.jan.bellsouth.net[209.215.63.234]) by bellsouth.net (frfwmhc02) with ESMTP id <20071119194639H0200t7aooe>; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:46:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.215.63.234] Message-ID: <4741E81E.7000107@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:46:38 -0600 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071030 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 16X Rotary Engine References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, what he said! It looks to me like all the issues of 'spit back' (& inherent risk of losing fuel to the atmosphere) go away & there's no need for extreme pressure injection if injection is timed right. Chamber pressure shouldn't be much over ambient if injection is started early enough to get mixture into the leading end of the combustion chamber. Anyone want to buy an O-360? Charlie M Roberts wrote: > Bill, > > I'm not sure that a gasoline fueled 16X as pictured would need 18Kpsi of > injection pressure. Where they have the injector located, it could > inject before the majority of the compression takes place. Even if it > were timed at the last second before the injection port was closed, it > still isn't anywhere near TDC. > > I do wonder about those other two bosses.......Common rail spark > assisted turbocharged, heavy fuel????? If so a longer stroke would > definitely be an advantage. Probably would need an electrically assisted > turbo to get the thing to start. From the location of the bosses, timing > would look to be very early on the injection. Then again, I have no > experience with a spark assisted low compression diesel. To get any kind > of efficiency you would have to have a turbo with a 2/1 pressure ratio > to get the engine pressures high enough. > > Monty > > > > Bobby, > For gasoline N/A direct injection requires around 18K psi. Diesels use > as high as 22K psi. > While this sounds scary, the equipment has been around for years and has > proven reliability. > Bill Jepson > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1139 - Release Date: 11/19/2007 12:35 PM