X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2468098 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:01:47 -0500 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.102.122.148; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,406,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="75855607" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2007 15:01:10 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lACK1Aqs005140 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:01:10 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lACK0tWZ008827 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:01:10 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:00:54 -0500 Received: from [64.102.38.175] ([64.102.38.175]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:00:54 -0500 Message-ID: <4738B0FC.5000603@nc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:01:00 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Diffuser Configuration Comparison References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2007 20:00:54.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB62B7C0:01C82566] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-8.0.0.1181-5.000.1023-15540.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--10.040500-8.000000-31 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=echristley@nc.rr.com; dkim=neutral Al Gietzen wrote: > > > The most detailed, sophisticated analysis of radiators for our application > that I have seem was done by Fred Moreno back in ’99; but unfortunately it > also was done for a specific case of 220 KTAS and 10 fins/in. What it > suggests is there is an optimum thickness (minimum drag), and that is > roughly 3”. That’s for 10 fins/in.; I concluded that my 16 fins/in rad > should be thinner, and went with 2.5” thckness. It works exceptionally > well. The 2.5” to 3” thickness seems common for rads made by Ron Davis and > Griffin for racing applications. That seems consistent. > Was that straight, waved, or lanced fins? I just don't want anyone make generalities from a single data point 8*) On a serious note, this makes a BIG difference. Straight fins offer the least resistance to the air, but the waved fins will transfer more heat per unit volume. The lanced fins (fins with lots of holes) are as efficient as the wave, but has no more backpressure than the straight. My main radiator is about 3.5". I'm not flying it yet, but I had room to make a textbook streamlined duct. I reasoned that with more efficient pressure recovery, I should be able to use a thick core, and I made sure that it had lanced fins.