X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [66.219.56.248] (HELO qnsi-xch.qnsi.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2434721 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:27:41 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.219.56.248; envelope-from=bhughes@qnsi.net Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Return-Receipt-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8181F.3BA94B24" Disposition-Notification-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: MAP port location Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:26:06 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: MAP port location Thread-Index: AcgYHmIVcJ6Z81nlQeS47Ui22N5/aQAAG8fg From: "Bobby J. Hughes" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8181F.3BA94B24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, =20 The ports in the renesis lower manifold are at the primary and secondary runner join. The stock upper renesis manifold also has other ports as well. Not sure what they are for in the car. I need to get the shop manual out and do a little research. =20 Bobby ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:18 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: MAP port location It'll work just about at any location. But, you generally want a location that will reflect the total engine condition rather than say one runner. Besides there are some fairly substantial pulsation in the runners. I prefer to have the sensor in the plenum immediately after the throttle body, but out of the way of the air flow at this point the pressure changes in your plenum probably reflect the over all (average) of what is going on in your runners. The pressure wave travels at the speed of sound whereas the air mass travels less than 400 ft/sec (much less in most cases), so where ever you put the sensor - even down my the ports, it won't matter timing wise.=20 =20 However, a location where the pulsation are damped is where I would put it. In the plenum after the throttle body and out of the direct air flow path. On the other hand, I have used the ports on the stock lower manifold (tying together the primary and secondary ports with a "T" so as to better get an average). =20 =20 Some folks have used a dense air filter/fuel filter? to damp out the pulsation, so if you are going to run your manifold like off a tube near a port, that is what I would try as well. =20 Ed =20 Ed =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bobby J. Hughes =20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] MAP port location What is the best location for MAP ports on the intake. Close to the engine or further away? I have the modified Renesis lower manifold that has two ports installed. Are these the best locations for the EC2 or should I place new ones further back in the upper manifold? =20 Thanks, =20 =20 Bobby J Hughes =20 =09 ________________________________ =09 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8181F.3BA94B24 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed,
 
The ports in the renesis lower manifold are = at the=20 primary and secondary runner join. The stock upper renesis manifold also = has=20 other ports as well. Not sure what they are for in the car. I need to = get the=20 shop manual out and do a little research.
 
Bobby


From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:18 PM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: MAP port=20 location

It'll work just about at any location.  = But, you=20 generally want a location that will reflect the total engine condition = rather=20 than say one runner.  Besides there are some fairly substantial = pulsation=20 in the runners.  I prefer to have the sensor in the plenum = immediately=20 after the throttle body, but out of the way of the air flow at this = point the=20 pressure changes in your plenum probably reflect the over all (average) = of what=20 is going on in your runners.  The pressure wave travels at the = speed of=20 sound whereas the air mass travels less than 400 ft/sec (much less in = most=20 cases), so where ever you put the sensor - even down my the ports, it = won't=20 matter timing wise.
 
However, a location where the pulsation are = damped is=20 where I would put it.  In the plenum after the throttle body and = out of the=20 direct air flow path.  On the other hand, I have used the ports on = the=20 stock lower manifold (tying together the primary and secondary ports = with a "T"=20 so as to better get an average). 
 
Some folks have used a dense air filter/fuel = filter? to=20 damp out the pulsation, so if you are going to run your manifold like = off a tube=20 near a port, that is what I would try as well.
 
Ed
 
 Ed
 
 
 ----- Original Message -----=20
From:=20 Bobby J. = Hughes=20
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 = 10:49=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] MAP port=20 location

What is the best location for MAP ports on = the=20 intake. Close to the engine or further away? I have the modified = Renesis lower=20 manifold that has two ports installed. Are these the best = locations for the EC2 or should I place new = ones=20 further back in the upper manifold?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Bobby J=20 Hughes
 


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