Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #39470
From: Richard Sohn <unicorn@gdsys.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:31:26 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Bob,
 
you can not really meassure it, unless you use a setup intensionally looking for this particular issue. Even than, you can only compare it to some other setup. I have gone throu quite a bit of that using my own designed trigger finger for the single rotor, using a pickup coil from the Mazda distributor and the Renensis CAS. On the first design, the end was at 4500RPM.
The problem is the flux change rate, which is getting more critical at high RPM.
The safest approach is to have a hard look at the stock installation and copy that as much a possible. Do not get closer  with any ferritic metal than in the stock installation.
I should have caught Marks problem, but I was under the impression he was using stock installation.
The setup I am using on the single rotor is tested up to 8k with no problem.
FWIW.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys

I would like to know how you figured it out? thats a tough find.
 
Bob Mears


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 7:23 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys

Dennis,

Nope, part of the conversion was to install the stock Renesis timing gear.  The problem has been fixed and the Renesis gear is still there.  Just in case you're wondering, the timing gear wasn't installed backwards nor was it clocked incorrectly.  

Mark

On 9/15/07, Dennis Haverlah <clouduster@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Mark,
 Was the frequency of the teeth going by the wheel too high for the CAS?

Dennis H.

Mark Steitle wrote:
Bob,

While good things to check, neither of these were the cause of my problem.  At Tracy's suggestion, I changed the air gap on the CAS to no avail. 

Mark

On 9/15/07, bmears9413@aol.com <bmears9413@aol.com> wrote:
I haven't cheated and looked at the manual.....since your gonna tell us anyway...eventually...but problems I've had before in race cars...plug wires running parallel to each other, and too large of air gap in the pickup in the distributor.   Close???

Bob Mears
Supermarine Spitfire


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 7:53 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys

Ed,
You are getting closer when you stated that it must be erratic ignition.  (I wish I had someone to give me hints).  Yes, the ignition timing was too far advanced, but retarding the timing didn't correct the problem.  The coils are LS1 units, 6 ea, so any individual coil isn't firing any more often than on a 2-rotor.  So, what's causing the erratic ingition?  That's the question.
 
Mark

 
On 9/15/07, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com > wrote:
Hey, No Fair! Mark.   Most of us do not have a Renesis shop manual.  But, lets see the old CS had three wires, the new one has two wires - I get it - there is a wire missing {:>).
 
  So it sounds like the problem was  indeed ignition - well, its almost always either fuel or spark causing a problem.  So if fuel is more or less ruled out it defaults to ignition.  It probably wouldn't be a rev limiter as they simply cut out above a certain rpm.  So either your ignition timing somehow was off at higher rpm (too much advance?)  or else your ignition was erratic in its firing (such as exceeding the capability of the coils to recharge between firings - unlikely in this case).
 
But, without a shop manual to give me more insight, I must say I'm out of ideas.
 
Ed
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys

 
Now Rusty!!!  That's too obvious.  ;-)
 
OK, another hint... I got a hint of what might be causing my problem from the ignition section of the Renesis shop manual. 
 
Mark

 
On 9/14/07, Russell Duffy <rusty@radrotary.com > wrote:
OK, I'll give you a hint... it was related to my decision to change over from the original CAS to the Renesis CAS.  I got that bright idea from last year's rotary get together at Tracy's.    
 
I've got it.  YOU were the problem :-) 
 
Rusty



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