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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: carbs vs efi
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:55:49 -0500
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Hi Jerry,
for your airplane, I don't think you have to worry about power, all you =
have to worry about is weight. In order to meet 200lb FF, a bare engine, =
say long block, should be under 100lb. My 12A based single is 90lb =
giving a FF of 170lb. The 701 probabely will only require maybe 50hp at =
cruise, and the utilization of every hp over and above that depends very =
much on a proper prop dimensioning and setting. Especially on take off =
distance, the heavier, stronger engine does not give you an advatage, =
generally speaking. It mostly makes you climb better at higher airspeed.
I have a friend with an AVID running a Rotax 582 with 65hp. His take off =
distance is essentially the same as mine with 100hp, however, my =
airplane is 15-20% heavier.=20
FWIW.
Richard Sohn
N2071U
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Hey=20
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:39 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: carbs vs efi
George, those hp claims seem wildly exaggerated to me. I have never =
heard anyone claim 200 hp for a two rotor street port at 7500 rpm. But =
I hope they do turn out to be true. I accept the Power Sport numbers of =
around 107.5 hp per rotor with a 1.5 i.d. p port. Perhaps if they had =
turned 7500 rpm they might have made somewhat more hp. According to =
calculations done for my original p port, a 1.5 i.d.port will flow 8000 =
rpm just fine. Side ports are relatively terrible when compared to a p =
port. I don't think their comparable size has relevance. Jerry
On Jul 24, 2007, at 6:10 PM, George Lendich wrote:
Jerry,
Sounds good!
The Street port single will give about 116hp at 7,500, but you need =
1.18 x2 sq" minimum ( 2.36 sq") =3D 44 Dia inlet.
David McCandles has found some old info, which I will forward under =
separate cover, which confirms these numbers although I haven't read it =
through myself as yet.
The RX8 uses smaller runners but more of them, the inlet area is =
massive in total, the smaller runner maintains the velocity. However =
because the Rotary doesn't suck like a piston engine ( sucking creates =
velocity) the advantages of velocity over area needed, are limited.
The 12A and 13B are the same size P-port 43mm, the timing/position =
are the same.
We have to start to accept that they know the advantages of sizing =
and position.
George
George,? I just got back from Oshkosh which would have been a =
wasted trip except that I got to fly a CH 701 amphib off the water.? =
This was a first for ?yours truly. ? ?What a lot of fun.? The airplane =
handles perfectly and is the right one for me. ? ?It is limited by the =
designer to 100 hp and 200 lbs for the engine installation. So I am in =
the in enviable situation of not wanting to get too much out of my p =
port. The plane was powered by a 100 hp Rotax.? ?It did very well.? ?
Re your analysis comparing side ports with p ports, I wonder if =
such an analysis is even possible as they are quite different.? Anyway, =
I doubt that a standard port can deliver 100 hp or a street port 130 hp. =
per rotor, certainly not when limited to 7500 rpm.? Of course I am only =
guessing.? No real knowledge or experience.??
The only carb I saw at Oshkosh was the aero carb.? It is sized by =
HP and they recommend the 38mm for? 125 to 160 hp.? This is too large =
for my purposes.? I am considering going down to 35mm? (90 to 125 hp) ? =
?The problem is that I already have 38mm p ports.? Also, of interest is =
that they do not recommend ram air. That simplifies the plumbing and the =
cowl. ? ?The demo engine had rather long, small dia runners and an air =
filter attached to the carb.? That is the "system." ((on an 80 hp =
v.w.))? ?If I can get the drive figured out, ?I will build it with RB's =
aluminum side plates and Atkins eccentric. ?BTW the 701 is a high wing. =
?The system will be strictly gravity. ? ?? ?Jerry
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On Jul 21, 2007, at 10:14 PM, George Lendich wrote:
Jerry,
I'm trying to compare the carb inlet area to port or P-port =
areas.
Standard Port area 32 deg ATDC to 50 degree ABDC =3D 1.18 sq " =
each side (x2 =3D 2.36sq")- using the front and back housings only.
?
A street port will be 1.5sq" x 2 =3D 3sq"
.
A 44mm P-port =3D 2.35sq"
A?42mm p-port =3D 2.14sq"
A 40mm P-port =3D 1.94sq"
A 38mm P-port =3D 1.75sq"
So you see a side port on a single has more port area than a =
small P-port.
Perhaps the velocity will make up for less area.
The street port is bigger again at 3 sq" - this equates to 50mm =
port.
?
The standard port gives about 100 hp, the street port about =
130hp each rotor.
I wouldn't want to choke down the port areas with too? =
restrictive inlet carby?area. I can't see how a 38mm will cut the =
mustard when your own calculations suggest 1.6 P-port =3D 42mm sq".
?
In reality I'm only looking for 130HPat most, if I can get that.
?
I can run a 41mm ID SS tube p-port with a 42mm Carby ( and hope =
velocity makes up the difference) Or I can run with two 1.5 street =
ported side ports 3 sq" with two smaller carbs, perhaps 2x32mm.
?
BTW street ported 13B has been dynoed to 264hp can't remember =
the RPM - it might have been higher than what we run.
More confused than ever!
?
Does anyone know the IO/IC and size and HP?of the factory =
P-port.
?
Lynn, does the timing given, calculated by the rotor uncovering =
and covering the port, or the side seal uncovering/covering the port =
opening?
I was thinking the RX8 rotor will be slightly different (bigger) =
with the harased edges.
George ( down under)
?
?
?
?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Hey
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: carbs vs efi
George,? maybe I have the wrong idea, but I don't understand =
why you need such a large bore carb for the single rotor.? No way you =
are going to produce more than 150 hp.? I think 38mm would be enough.? =
This is what Aero Carb recommends for the 0-320.? Jerry
On Jul 21, 2007, at 5:56 PM, George Lendich wrote:
Jerry,
Looks like Pat was wrong about Revmaster having a 44mm, the =
biggest they go to is 42mm ( at the present time)?and that costs $380. =
If I remember the 32mm costs $320.
Jerry I would be interested in feed back on what you thought =
about the Aero Carb, especially how it's constructed - their all a =
little different.
I do like the Ellison but it's too bloody expensive.
George ( down under)
George,? the web site says $326.00.? You might want to =
compare the aero carb which is similar.??http://www.aeroconversions.com
I will be looking at both at Oshkosh on Tuesday and =
Wednesday next week.? Jerry
Jerry
On Jul 20, 2007, at 10:06 PM, George Lendich wrote:
?
I have been surprised at the recent flurry of carb =
postings.? I assumed that everyone was doing EFI.? having experienced =
total electrical failure in march on a trip to the Bahamas I was =
thinking a lot about that Neanderthal carb bolted under my O320 and the =
magnetos, all unaware of what was going on in the radio, GPS,?and nav =
lights departments.??? the reality is that you don't want a reserve =
battery to get you to the ground safely, you want to get to the Bahamas =
and back and THEN look into what's wrong.
my questions are "how much power/performance is lost =
with a carb, and which carbs can do manual mixture?".? is it stupid to =
ask if the Lycoming carb could run a 13B?? someone mentioned Harley =
carbs?having a?good history of rough service.? what about =
marvel/schebler?? is this question heresy? :-)? isn't efi a bit of =
overkill for an engine that basically runs at 100% power, 75% power and =
idle?? scanning thru the archives I see a lot of postings regarding =
mixture, mapping, abrupt failures and such.? does this complexity buy us =
5%, 20%?? the question of turbo-charging seems to?beg similar line of =
questioning.??? kevin
?
Kevin,
It's probably my fault, with a number of chaps helping =
me out with information.
My Buddy Bill Jepson will tell you nothing beats EFI =
and when it's running well, he's absolutely right!
Not only that it is the best for? fuel efficiency, =
leaning reading fuel flow etc. etc.
However I'm developing a single rotor and looking at =
all sorts of issues including cost effectiveness of less elaborate =
installations. I'm also not keen on high pressure
fuel under the cowl.
Most importantly I'm not?an electronics person and =
seeing the problems experienced by others has me more than a little =
nervous, in regard to EFI.
Of course I know very little about carbies, so their =
helping me with this as well.
The Revmaster might be the choice for me, but I'm =
awaiting the sticker shock!
George ( down under)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Jerry,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for your airplane, I don't think you =
have to worry=20
about power, all you have to worry about is weight. In order to meet =
200lb FF, a=20
bare engine, say long block, should be under 100lb. My 12A based single =
is 90lb=20
giving a FF of 170lb. The 701 probabely will only require maybe =
50hp at=20
cruise, and the utilization of every hp over and above =
that depends=20
very much on a proper prop dimensioning and setting. Especially on take =
off=20
distance, the heavier, stronger engine does not give you an advatage, =
generally=20
speaking. It mostly makes you climb better at higher =
airspeed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a friend with an AVID =
running a Rotax=20
582 with 65hp. His take off distance is essentially the same as mine =
with 100hp,=20
however, my airplane is 15-20% heavier. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Richard Sohn<BR>N2071U</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djerryhey@earthlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:jerryhey@earthlink.net">Jerry=20
Hey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dflyrotary@lancaironline.net=20
href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net">Rotary motors in =
aircraft</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 24, 2007 =
5:39=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [FlyRotary] Re: carbs =
vs=20
efi</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>George, those hp claims seem=20
wildly exaggerated to me. I have never heard anyone=20
claim 200 hp for a two rotor street port at 7500 rpm. But =
I hope=20
they do turn out to be true. I accept the Power Sport numbers of =
around=20
107.5 hp per rotor with a 1.5 i.d. p port. Perhaps if they =
had=20
turned 7500 rpm they might have made somewhat more hp. According =
to=20
calculations done for my original p port, a 1.5 i.d.port will flow =
8000 rpm=20
just fine. Side ports are relatively terrible when =
compared to a p=20
port. I don't think their comparable size has relevance. Jerry
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<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jul 24, 2007, at 6:10 PM, George Lendich wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Jerry,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sounds =
good!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Street port single =
will give=20
about 116hp at 7,500, but you need 1.18 x2 sq" minimum ( =
2.36=20
sq") =3D 44 Dia inlet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">David McCandles has =
found some=20
old info, which I will forward under separate cover, which confirms =
these=20
numbers although I haven't read it through myself as=20
yet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The RX8 uses smaller =
runners but=20
more of them, the inlet area is massive in total, the smaller runner =
maintains the velocity. However because the Rotary doesn't suck like =
a=20
piston engine ( sucking creates velocity) the advantages of velocity =
over area needed, are limited.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The 12A and 13B are =
the same=20
size P-port 43mm, the timing/position are the =
same.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We have to start to =
accept that=20
they know the advantages of sizing and position.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">George</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">George,?=20
I just got back from Oshkosh which would have been a wasted trip =
except=20
that I got to fly a CH 701 amphib off the water.? This was a first =
for=20
?yours truly. ? ?What a lot of fun.? The airplane handles =
perfectly and is=20
the right one for me. ? ?It is limited by the designer to 100 hp =
and 200=20
lbs for the engine installation. So I am in the in enviable =
situation of=20
not wanting to get too much out of my p port. The plane was =
powered by a=20
100 hp Rotax.? ?It did very well.? ?
<DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>Re your analysis comparing side ports with p ports, I wonder =
if such=20
an analysis is even possible as they are quite different.? Anyway, =
I doubt=20
that a standard port can deliver 100 hp or a street port 130 hp. =
per=20
rotor, certainly not when limited to 7500 rpm.? Of course I am =
only=20
guessing.? No real knowledge or experience.??</DIV>
<DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>The only carb I saw at Oshkosh was the aero carb.? It is =
sized by HP=20
and they recommend the 38mm for? 125 to 160 hp.? This is too large =
for my=20
purposes.? I am considering going down to 35mm? (90 to 125 hp) ? =
?The=20
problem is that I already have 38mm p ports.? Also, of interest is =
that=20
they do not recommend ram air. That simplifies the plumbing and =
the cowl.=20
? ?The demo engine had rather long, small dia runners and an air =
filter=20
attached to the carb.? That is the "system." ((on an 80 hp v.w.))? =
?If I=20
can get the drive figured out, ?I will build it with RB's aluminum =
side=20
plates and Atkins eccentric. ?BTW the 701 is a high wing. ?The =
system will=20
be strictly gravity. ? ?? ?Jerry</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jul 21, 2007, at 10:14 PM, George Lendich wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Jerry,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm trying to =
compare the=20
carb inlet area to port or P-port =
areas.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Standard Port area =
32 deg=20
ATDC to 50 degree ABDC =3D 1.18 sq " each side (x2 =3D =
</SPAN></SPAN><STRONG=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">2.36sq")-=20
using the front and back housings=20
only.</SPAN></SPAN></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A street port will =
be 1.5sq"=20
x 2 =3D 3sq"</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A 44mm P-port=20
=3D</SPAN></SPAN><STRONG=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
2.35sq</SPAN></SPAN></STRONG><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">"</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A?42mm p-port =3D=20
2.14sq"</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A 40mm P-port =3D=20
1.94sq"</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A 38mm P-port =3D=20
1.75sq"</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So you see a side =
port on a=20
single has more port area than a small=20
P-port.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Perhaps the =
velocity will=20
make up for less area.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The street port is =
bigger=20
again at 3 sq" - this equates to 50mm =
port.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The standard port =
gives=20
about 100 hp, the street port about 130hp each=20
rotor.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I wouldn't want to =
choke=20
down the port areas with too? restrictive inlet=20
carby</SPAN></SPAN></FONT>?<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">area.=20
I can't see how a 38mm will cut the mustard when your own =
calculations=20
suggest 1.6 P-port =3D 42mm sq".</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In reality I'm =
only looking=20
for 130HPat most, if I can get that.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can run a 41mm =
ID SS tube=20
p-port with a 42mm Carby ( and hope velocity makes up the =
difference) Or=20
I can run with two 1.5 street ported side ports 3 sq" with two =
smaller=20
carbs, perhaps 2x32mm.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BTW street ported =
13B has=20
been dynoed to 264hp can't remember the RPM - it might have been =
higher=20
than what we run.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">More confused than =
ever!</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Does anyone know =
the IO/IC=20
and size and HP?of the factory =
P-port.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lynn, does the =
timing given,=20
calculated by the rotor uncovering and covering the port, or the =
side=20
seal uncovering/covering the port =
opening?</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was thinking the =
RX8 rotor=20
will be slightly different (bigger) with the harased=20
edges.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">George ( down=20
under)</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>?</DIV>
<DIV>?</DIV>
<DIV>?</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 13px arial; font-color: =
black"><B=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial">From:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; =
FONT-FAMILY: arial">=20
</SPAN></SPAN><A title=3Djerryhey@earthlink.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jerryhey@earthlink.net"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,238); FONT-FAMILY: =
arial; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,238); FONT-FAMILY: =
arial; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline">Jerry=20
Hey</SPAN></SPAN></A><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 13px arial"><B=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; =
FONT-FAMILY: arial">=20
</SPAN></SPAN><A title=3Dflyrotary@lancaironline.net=20
href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,238); FONT-FAMILY: =
arial; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,238); FONT-FAMILY: =
arial; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline">Rotary=20
motors in aircraft</SPAN></SPAN></A><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 13px arial"><B=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; =
FONT-FAMILY: arial">=20
Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:17 AM</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 13px arial"><B=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; =
FONT-FAMILY: arial">=20
[FlyRotary] Re: carbs vs efi</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>George,? maybe I have the wrong idea, but I =
don't=20
understand why you need such a large bore carb for the single =
rotor.?=20
No way you are going to produce more than 150 hp.? I think =
38mm would=20
be enough.? This is what Aero Carb recommends for the 0-320.? =
Jerry
<DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jul 21, 2007, at 5:56 PM, George Lendich =
wrote:</DIV><BR=20
class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 14px Palatino; =
TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: =
normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; =
border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; =
apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Jerry,</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Looks like Pat =
was wrong=20
about Revmaster having a 44mm, the biggest they go to is =
42mm ( at=20
the present time)?and that costs $380. If I remember the =
32mm costs=20
$320.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jerry I would =
be=20
interested in feed back on what you thought about the Aero =
Carb,=20
especially how it's constructed - their all a little=20
different.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I=20
do like the Ellison but it's too bloody=20
expensive.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">George ( down=20
under)</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">George,?=20
the web site says $326.00.? You might want to compare the =
aero=20
carb which is similar.??<A=20
href=3D"http://www.aeroconversions.com"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"COLOR: rgb(0,0,238); =
khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"COLOR: rgb(0,0,238); =
khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"COLOR: rgb(0,0,238); =
khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: =
underline">http://www.aeroconversions.com</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></A>
<DIV>I will be looking at both at Oshkosh on Tuesday and =
Wednesday=20
next week.? Jerry
<DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder>
<DIV>Jerry</DIV>
<DIV><BR=20
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class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></B=
LOCKQUOTE><BR>
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apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2">
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<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jul 20, 2007, at 10:06 PM, George Lendich =
wrote:</DIV><BR=20
class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 14px Palatino; =
TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: =
normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; =
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apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>?</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic =
Sans MS">I=20
have been surprised at the recent flurry of carb =
postings.? I=20
assumed that everyone was doing EFI.? having =
experienced total=20
electrical failure in march on a trip to the Bahamas I =
was=20
thinking a lot about that Neanderthal carb bolted =
under my=20
O320 and the magnetos, all unaware of what was going =
on in the=20
radio, GPS,?and nav lights departments.??? the reality =
is that=20
you don't want a reserve battery to get you to the =
ground=20
safely, you want to get to the Bahamas and back and =
THEN look=20
into what's =
wrong.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic =
Sans MS">my=20
questions are "how much power/performance is lost with =
a carb,=20
and which carbs can do manual mixture?".? is it stupid =
to ask=20
if the Lycoming carb could run a 13B?? someone =
mentioned=20
Harley carbs?having a?good history of rough service.? =
what=20
about marvel/schebler?? is this question heresy? :-)? =
isn't=20
efi a bit of overkill for an engine that basically =
runs at=20
100% power, 75% power and idle?? scanning thru the =
archives I=20
see a lot of postings regarding mixture, mapping, =
abrupt=20
failures and such.? does this complexity buy us 5%, =
20%?? the=20
question of turbo-charging seems to?beg similar line =
of=20
questioning.??? =
kevin</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT>?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans =
MS">Kevin,</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic =
Sans MS">It's=20
probably my fault, with a number of chaps helping me =
out with=20
information.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic =
Sans MS">My=20
Buddy Bill Jepson will tell you nothing beats EFI and =
when=20
it's running well, he's absolutely=20
right!</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic =
Sans MS">Not=20
only that it is the best for? fuel efficiency, leaning =
reading=20
fuel flow etc. =
etc.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS">However I'm =
developing a=20
single rotor and looking at all sorts of issues =
including cost=20
effectiveness of less elaborate installations. I'm =
also not=20
keen on high =
pressure</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic =
Sans MS">fuel=20
under the =
cowl.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Comic =
Sans MS">Most=20
importantly I'm not?an electronics person and seeing =
the=20
problems experienced by others has me more than a =
little=20
nervous, in regard to=20
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Edition. <BR>Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - =
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