X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTP id 2183132 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:47:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.101; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-103-061.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.103.61]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l6HFRkot000950 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c7c887$19047090$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Mustang II CG? Was [FlyRotary] Re: Logbook Question Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:28:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C7C865.91A43B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C7C865.91A43B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob, Good to hear from you. Nice looking installation, neat turbo set up. = Should make the Mustang exceed Ve going straight up {:>) But, I do have a question - the engine + Turbo seems to be pretty far = out from the firewall, what does that do to your CG?=20 The reason I ask is I have a 13B in my RV-6A and the water pump pulley = is approx 8" from the firewall and that put me a tiny bit nose-heavy. = Well, at least until I took out 30 lbs of battery and painted the = aircraft. I did build a bit stout which of course added to the weight = FWF. But, must admit, I'm not familiar with the engine installation in a = Mustang II. So how far out is the water pump pulley from your = firewall? and is that approx where a 360 lycoming would sit? in a = Mustang? Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html I ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rogers, Bob J.=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Logbook Question Yes, it has an aftermarket Turbonetics 60-1 turbo with external = wastegate and 1.15 A/R. I can vary the boost by 10 psi from the cockpit = with a manual control regulator. It remains to be seen how well it all = works. =20 Bob =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Mark Steitle Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:25 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Logbook Question =20 Look'n good Bob. Best I can tell you've got a turbo 13B under the = cowl. Is that correct? Looks like we should have quite a showing at = the next Rotary Roundup and/or Sun-n-Fun. =20 =20 BTW, one nice thing that Ron Gowan did was to write a letter to the = FAA stating that I built the a/c and recommended that I be granted a = repairman's certificate. Not sure if it is necessary, but it sure won't = hurt either.=20 =20 Mark =20 On 7/16/07, Rogers, Bob J. wrote:=20 Thanks Mark, =20 Yes, I live in Plano, TX and have a hangar at the McKinney municipal = airport. You can see and read about my project at = http://www.eaa1246.org/projectsnplanesdisplay.asp?id=3D10 =20 I am currently working on the engine baffling. Everything else is = pretty much done. But as you know, it is all the remaining little = details that take forever.=20 =20 Bob =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto: flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Mark Steitle Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:24 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Logbook Question=20 =20 His phone number is 817/975-2138. Email is rongowan@yahoo.com. I = take it you live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area? =20 =20 Mark =20 On 7/12/07, Rogers, Bob J. < BRogers@fdic.gov> wrote:=20 Mark, =20 I would like to use Ron Gowan as my DAR when the time comes to have my = rotary powered Mustang II inspected (within the next year, I hope). Do = you have a phone number for Ron that I could call to contact him?=20 =20 Thanks, =20 Bob Rogers =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Steitle=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:08 PM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Logbook Question=20 =20 Chris,=20 The only thing he asked me to do was pay for his gas to fly down. = He indicated that $10 would suffice, but we both know that that wouldn't = hardly get him to the runup area. Due to all the heavy rains and = overcast skies, we had trouble getting things coordinated. He flies for = Delta out of Atlanta from Thursday through Sunday. He normally flies = back from Atlanta on Sunday or Monday. Instead, he flew into Austin, = rented a car and drove down to Lockhart, then drove north to Dallas = afterwards. I gave him $150 to cover the car rental and gas. I had = planned on taking him to have BBQ, but he was in a hurry to head home. = He said that he does it as a service to the EAA community. It sure = beats the local DAR's prices. =20 =20 Mark =20 =20 On 7/9/07, Christopher Barber < CBarber@texasattorney.net > wrote:=20 Thanks for the update, success and the report on Ron Gowen. He is = who I plan to call first as I have not only met him, he let me fly from = the back seat of one of his Vari-EZ's when I was up in Denton visiting = Alex a few years ago. I think he either has or had a rotory powered EZ = (even though the one I flew in had a Lyc). The day I was there, he had = just recieved a new Marconni PSRU. He was very pleased with it.=20 =20 If you don't mind, would you please share the details of his cost = and expectations as to come for a visit? =20 Congrats on turning your piles of fiberglass, metal and foam into a = real honest to goodness flying machine. =20 All the best, =20 Chris Barber Houston ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Steitle=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:59 PM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Logbook Question=20 =20 Kelly,=20 =20 Thanks for the words of encouragement. The rains have stopped = here in central Texas, the sun is once again shining, and the doves = returned to the ark with twigs in their mouths. The DAR came out to the = airport today in his kayak and did the final inspection on my Lancair = ES/20B project. And he actually signed it off!!! So, it is officially = an "airplane" and no longer a "project". How about that? Its been a = long haul, but now the fun begins... as soon as I get some recurrency = training to bring me up to speed. He said I did a good job with much = attention to detail, then he took my money and left. ;-) I'll should = get the paperwork in the mail in a few days. Soon I'll be starting the = 40-hour testing phase. I had asked for a 200 mile radius, but that = would have put me over the Houston area, so he cut it down to 100 miles. = He said that the FAA frowns on more than that, especially with auto = conversions. So, I'lll have to make do with a 100 mile radius. =20 =20 If anyone wants/needs a DAR with rotary experience, and you're in = the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, I would highly recommend this inspector. His = name is Ron Gowan. He has 500 hrs PIC flying a rotary. He also has = composites experience. I felt that he would be a good choice even if he = didn't have extensive composites experience. =20 He said the two biggest areas to pay very close attention is the = psru and the cooling system. He said that the rotary engine is rock = solid. (That really impressed the old timers at the airport.)=20 =20 So, all you guys working away month after month, keep the faith, = there is a glorious day coming. ;-) =20 Mark S. =20 On 7/7/07, Kelly Troyer < keltro@att.net> wrote:=20 Mark, Pulling for you !! You will certainly have one going and beautiful aircraft........Will absolutely be a plus for the Rotary movement in general and a worthy addition to the somewhat rare 20B engine group....... -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 =20 =20 -------------- Original message from "Mark Steitle" < = msteitle@gmail.com>: --------------=20 > Mark Steitle wrote: > >> Here's a non-rotary question for the group. The DAR will be=20 >> coming out Monday morning to inspect my project. Hopefully = it=20 >> will qualify as an airplane once he's done. He mentioned to = me to >> be sure to have my airframe logbook so that he can make his=20 >> required log entry. (Here's the problem.) I don't have a = logbook=20 >> yet. But according to an A&P on the Lancair list, the = logbook can >> be done in 3-ring binder format, or even on computer. I = would=20 >> like to make one up in the 3-ring binder format, but don't = have=20 >> any idea of what's required. Anyone on the list been through = thi s >> and have a page format they are willing to share? Mark S.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C7C865.91A43B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bob,
 
Good to hear from you.  Nice looking = installation,=20 neat turbo set up.  Should make the Mustang exceed Ve going = straight up=20 {:>)
 
 But, I do have a question - the engine + = Turbo seems=20 to be pretty far out from the firewall, what does that do to your=20 CG? 
 
 The reason I ask is I have a 13B in my = RV-6A and the=20 water pump pulley is approx 8" from the firewall and that put me a tiny = bit=20 nose-heavy.  Well, at least until I took out 30 lbs of battery and = painted=20 the aircraft.  I did build a bit stout which of course added to the = weight=20 FWF.
 
But, must admit, I'm not familiar with the = engine=20 installation in a Mustang II.   So how far out is the water = pump=20 pulley from your firewall? and is that approx where a 360 lycoming would = sit? in=20 a Mustang?
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary = Powered
Matthews,=20 NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.comhttp:/= /members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda= /index.html
 
I
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rogers, = Bob J.=20
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 = 12:58=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Logbook=20 Question

Yes, it has = an=20 aftermarket Turbonetics 60-1 turbo with external wastegate and 1.15 = A/R.  I can vary the boost by 10 = psi from the=20 cockpit with a manual control regulator. =20  It remains to be = seen how=20 well it all works.

 

Bob

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 = 11:25=20 AM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Logbook=20 Question

 

Look'n good Bob.  Best I can tell = you've got a=20 turbo 13B under the cowl.  Is that correct?  Looks like we = should=20 have quite a showing at the next Rotary Roundup and/or = Sun-n-Fun. =20

 

BTW, one nice thing that Ron Gowan did was = to write a=20 letter to the FAA stating that I built the a/c and recommended that I = be=20 granted a repairman's certificate.  Not sure if it is necessary, = but it=20 sure won't hurt either.

 

Mark

 

On 7/16/07, Rogers, Bob J. <BRogers@fdic.gov>=20 wrote:

Thanks=20 Mark,

 

Yes, I live = in=20 Plano, TX and=20 have a hangar at the McKinney municipal airport.  = You can see=20 and read about my project at http://www.eaa1246.org/projectsnplanesdisplay.asp?id=3D10=

 

I am = currently=20 working on the engine baffling.  Everything else is pretty much = done.=20  But as you know, it is all the remaining little details that = take=20 forever.

 

Bob

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:=20 flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark = Steitle
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 = 6:24=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Logbook Question=20

 

His phone=20 number is 817/975-2138.  Email is rongowan@yahoo.com.  I take it you live in = the=20 Dallas/Ft.=20 Worth area? 

 

Mark

 

On=20 7/12/07, Rogers, Bob = J. < = BRogers@fdic.gov> wrote:=20

Mark,

 

I would = like to use=20 Ron Gowan as my DAR when the time comes to have my rotary powered = Mustang II=20 inspected (within the next year, I hope).  Do you have a phone = number for=20 Ron that I could call to contact him?

 

Thanks,

 

Bob=20 Rogers

 

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: Mark=20 Steitle

To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20

Sent: Monday,=20 July 09, 2007 8:08 PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Logbook Question


 

Chris,=20

The=20 only thing he asked me to do was pay for his gas to fly down.  = He=20 indicated that $10 would suffice, but we both know that that = wouldn't hardly=20 get him to the runup area.  Due to all the heavy rains and = overcast=20 skies, we had trouble getting things coordinated.  He flies for = Delta=20 out of Atlanta from Thursday = through=20 Sunday.  He normally flies back from Atlanta on = Sunday or=20 Monday.  Instead, he flew into Austin, rented a car and drove down to = Lockhart,=20 then drove north to Dallas afterwards.  I gave = him $150 to=20 cover the car rental and gas.  I had planned on taking him = to=20 have BBQ, but he was in a hurry to head home.  He said = that he=20 does it as a service to the EAA community.  It sure beats = the=20 local DAR's prices.  

 

Mark   

 

On=20 7/9/07, Christopher = Barber=20 <=20 CBarber@texasattorney.net > wrote: =

Thanks for the update, = success=20 and the report on Ron Gowen.  He is who I plan to call first as = I have=20 not only met him, he let me fly from the back seat of one of his = Vari-EZ's=20 when I was up in Denton visiting Alex a few years ago.  I think = he=20 either has or had a rotory powered EZ (even though the one I flew in = had a=20 Lyc).  The day I was there, he had just recieved a new Marconni = PSRU.  He was very pleased with it. =

 

If you don't mind, = would you=20 please share the details of his cost and expectations as to come for = a=20 visit?

 

Congrats on turning = your piles=20 of fiberglass, metal and foam into a real honest to goodness flying=20 machine.

 

All the=20 best,

 

Chris=20 Barber

Houston

----- Original = Message -----=20

From: Mark Steitle =

To: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft

Sent:=20 Monday, July 09, 2007 3:59 PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Logbook Question =


 

Kelly, =

 

Thanks for the words=20 of encouragement.  The rains have stopped here = in=20 central Texas, the sun is = once=20 again shining, and the doves returned to the ark with twigs = in their=20 mouths.  The DAR came out to the airport today in his kayak = and did=20 the final inspection on my Lancair ES/20B project.  = And he=20 actually signed it off!!!  So, it is officially an "airplane" = and no=20 longer a "project".  How about that?  Its been = a long haul,=20 but now the fun begins... as soon as I get some recurrency = training to=20 bring me up to speed.  He said I did a good = job with much=20 attention to detail, then he took my money and left.  = ;-) =20 I'll should get the paperwork in the mail in a few=20 days.  Soon I'll be starting the 40-hour testing = phase.  I=20 had asked for a 200 mile radius, but that would have put me over = the=20 Houston=20 area, so he cut it down to 100 miles.  He said that the FAA = frowns on=20 more than that, especially with auto conversions.  So, I'lll = have=20 to make do with a 100 mile radius. =20

 

If=20 anyone wants/needs a DAR with rotary experience, and you're in the = Dallas/Ft.=20 Worth area, I would highly recommend this inspector.  His = name is Ron=20 Gowan.  He has 500 hrs PIC flying a rotary.  He also has = composites experience.  I felt that he would be a good = choice=20 even if he didn't have extensive composites experience.  =

He=20 said the two biggest areas to pay very close attention is the psru = and the=20 cooling system.  He said that the rotary engine is rock = solid. (That=20 really impressed the old timers at the airport.)=20

 

So,=20 all you guys working away month after month, keep the faith, there = is a=20 glorious day coming. ;-)

 

Mark=20 S.

 

On=20 7/7/07, Kelly = Troyer < = keltro@att.net> wrote:=20

Mark,

   Pulling for you  = !! =20 You will certainly have one going=20 and

beautiful = aircraft........Will absolutely be=20 a plus for the Rotary

movement in general and a worthy = addition to the=20 somewhat

rare=20 20B engine group.......

--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B = ROTARY=20 Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =



 

 

-------------- Original message from = "Mark=20 Steitle" <=20 msteitle@gmail.com>: --------------

> Mark = Steitle=20 wrote:
>
>> Here's a non-rotary question for the=20 group.  The DAR will be
>> coming out Monday = morning=20 to inspect my project.  Hopefully it
>> will = qualify=20 as an airplane once he's done.  He mentioned to me=20 to
>> be sure to have my airframe logbook so that he = can make=20 his
>> required log entry.  (Here's the=20 problem.)  I don't have a logbook
>>=20 yet.  But according to an A&P on the Lancair list, = the=20 logbook can
>> be done in 3-ring binder format, or even = on=20 computer.  I would
>> like to make one up in = the=20 3-ring binder format, but don't have
>> any idea of = what's=20 required.  Anyone on the list been through thi = s
>>=20 and have a page format they are willing to = share?  Mark S.=20

 

 

 

 

 

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