X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.230] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTP id 2182087 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:31:31 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.233.162.230; envelope-from=bartrim@gmail.com Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id n29so935257nzf for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:30:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=B+wzufIspGXAMF5gI/bi3SZK8xECuVxLo4eh3i2jB13QBJgOQmV5j6YQMcRltqfhv2QQMwLOMIpKAgPTNlU8svSBrmC4O9yjjL7IvqCev9Rr7dOFGB5I/rE6AgPZvKu1nGgoavwBg5ZXbTZiwj8AcCFOnIt5jCCDdW/wn3TlhSU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=gIezL6yQczKtKkP/NJVQTqS3vmy+UJ3n6IV5+fRNFaPOxwQxsjm8pBe+gvUrTXuC/OmB80+Y22sLabFhkAZzsUQY7aZDcvLmP90P5aKN3igskubDIz7HtrHrQzdCD4QqlmiRk/dimbc9UH2+6pVFMKMa7zGcObTiaHY8qqPw/nU= Received: by 10.114.194.1 with SMTP id r1mr147541waf.1184657451047; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.64? ( [205.250.232.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id n20sm2287189pof.2007.07.17.00.30.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <469C7024.9040108@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:30:44 -0700 From: Todd Bartrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: AirVenture Souvenir References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000107040100040700000503" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000107040100040700000503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pat; Even though I won't make it to Osh (don't even really want to, would much rather expend the effort to make the Round-up), I applaud your efforts to recognize the the true experimenters who will make it there. By most accounts I've read Osh is more about commercial aviation nowadays, with a few war birds throw in. *Most* of the experimental awards will go to an RV? quick build that was finished by hired guns, while some guy with an unlimited budget gets the kudos for it. Your hat will go a small ways towards recognizing the true experimenter who choses to use alternative power. I'd wear one with pride. Heck all of my many other toys & tools have pistons in them, so a couple of pistons don't bother me. ('coarse if rotors were an option I'd have 'em in most everything). Even though the Eggenfeller Sube package seems to be complete enough to almost remove the experimental nature of what most other alternative engine installations have to deal with, I would still certainly consider them worthy recipients of the hat as they are helping to prove that there is a better option than a certified engine. My only suggestion would be to use the term 'Alternative Power' rather than 'Auto Power', since there are other engine designs that have been "almost ready" to come to the market for a long, long time now and I have (blind) faith that someday (soon I hope) one of them will succeed, but it's early user's will be considered beta testers and as such probably would qualify to share a few beers with the rest of us. Besides that, I just think it sounds cooler :-) Patrick Panzera wrote: > > Ernie, > > > > I'm thinking you've missed the point of the hat. > > It's not to create even further division, it's intended to unite. > > If you'd rather not be part of the auto conversion "group" then I > recommend that you simply not accept the hat. > > I'll respect your decision. > > > --------------000107040100040700000503 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------080807030308010701060505" --------------080807030308010701060505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pat;
    Even though I won't make it to Osh (don't even really want to, would much rather expend the effort to make the Round-up), I applaud your efforts to recognize the the true experimenters who will make it there. By most accounts I've read Osh is more about commercial aviation nowadays, with a few war birds throw in. *Most* of the experimental awards will go to an RV? quick build that was finished by hired guns, while some guy with an unlimited budget gets the kudos for it. Your hat will go a small ways towards recognizing the true experimenter who choses to use alternative power. I'd wear one with pride. Heck all of my many other toys & tools have pistons in them, so a couple of pistons don't bother me. ('coarse if rotors were an option I'd have 'em in most everything).
    Even though the Eggenfeller Sube package seems to be complete enough to almost remove the experimental nature of what most other alternative engine installations have to deal with, I would still certainly consider them worthy recipients of the hat as they are helping to prove that there is a better option than a certified engine.
    My only suggestion would be to use the term 'Alternative Power' rather than 'Auto Power', since there are other engine designs that have been "almost ready" to come to the market for a long, long time now and I have (blind) faith that someday (soon I hope) one of them will succeed, but it's early user's will be considered beta testers and as such probably would qualify to share a few beers with the rest of us. Besides that, I just think it sounds cooler :-)



Patrick Panzera wrote:

Ernie,

 

I’m thinking you’ve missed the point of the hat.

It’s not to create even further division, it’s intended to unite.

If you’d rather not be part of the auto conversion “group” then I recommend that you simply not accept the hat.

I’ll respect your decision.

 

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