X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.68] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTP id 2181919 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:40:14 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.68; envelope-from=bobperk@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm64aec.bellsouth.net ([70.149.140.128]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070717053934.KOJM3964.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm64aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:39:34 -0400 Received: from HpPavilion310n ([70.149.140.128]) by ibm64aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070717053933.SEZP12827.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@HpPavilion310n> for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:39:33 -0400 From: "Bob Perkinson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] FW: [FlyRotary] Re: AirVenture Souvenir Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C7C80A.E9769780" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C7C80A.E9769780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You know, I just wish I were in a position to get a hat. It looks like it may be 2 to 3 years off before I will be able to pick up a hat of my own. The joy that I have knowing that what I will be flying was put together by me and using engines that most people in grass roots aviation Po, Po at, makes it worth even that much more. Guys that put together airplanes that run off weed eater motors get my kudos. If I had that hat I would ware it with an air of distinction (Hey take a look at the aircraft that I have flying, and with a motor that was never intended to get off the ground). It lets everyone know that you have an intimate knowledge of the workings of every thing under the cowling firewall forward. You have knowledge that only a few possess about their homebuilt airplanes. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Patrick Panzera Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:27 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] FW: [FlyRotary] Re: AirVenture Souvenir Ernie, I’m thinking you’ve missed the point of the hat. It’s not to create even further division, it’s intended to unite. If you’d rather not be part of the auto conversion “group” then I recommend that you simply not accept the hat. I’ll respect your decision. Should you by chance win “best auto conversion” I would recommend that you decline the honor as well. Maybe one day when there are sufficient numbers of rotary engines at any given event (maybe 10+?), we’ll be glad to sponsor the “Best Rotary” engine award, but maybe the three rotor guys and the upcoming single rotor guys won ’t want to be lumped with the twin rotors... or maybe the turbo guys won’t want to be associated with the N/A guys, and of course we couldn’t possibly have the EFI guys be compared to the knuckle-dragging carb guys. And what if (heaven forbid) someone show up with a direct-drive rotary??? Or (gasp! A Norton!!!) Or a even a 10a or 12a??? With or without a logo, the words on the hat and the spirit in which it was created (and presented) would remain the same. Auto Power. We see the effort of building and flying an automobile engine powered plane to OSH as the accomplishment we want to honor, and not because it’s “better” than a certified engine, but more because it takes creativity and a true EXPERIMENTAL spirit. THAT is what we want to honor. But what if the logo had two rotors and one piston, would that be better? If so, consider this: Each piston represents one four-stroke cycle that requires two revolutions of the crank. Coupled together (180º apart or in-line), the two pistons represent one power episode per crank revolution. Each rotor face represents one four-stroke cycle that requires three revolutions of the crank to complete. There are three faces, obviously coupled together; creating an assembly that also represents one power episode per crank revolution. That being said, the image of two pistons and one rotor represent equality and unity among true experimenters. I also have to ask what you drive... Any boingers in the driveway? I personally have a few boingers, all Mazda of course (a Mazda6 wagon, an MPV, a B2600i and a Protégé) but I also have an ’04 RX-8 and a 2nd Gen (third one to date... and not my last by any stretch) under construction. In the hangar on the other hand, nothing I have under construction can handle a rotary so my composite Dragonfly is set up to receive a 100 HP Corvair and the magazine’s all-aluminum CH601XL currently has a 100 HP 3000cc VW mounted up. My tube-and-rag Rans S-10 Sakota has a Rotax. Since I also like Corvair engines, I have a 1965 180hp Turbo Corsa project car parked next to the RX-7 project car. Pat On a side note, we’ll be showcasing (in our booth at OSH) a commercial effort to bring the Elippse propeller to market. Two- three- and four-blade constant speed or ground adjustable are now available. We have an awesome article in our current issue. Weighing in at 32-33 pounds for a three-blade version, is it something that Tracy’s redrive can handle? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ehkerr@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:26 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: AirVenture Souviner In a message dated 7/15/2007 6:34:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wgeslick@gmail.com writes: On 7/14/07, Patrick Panzera wrote: Hey Gang! My good friend William Wynne (noted Corvair guru http://www.flycorvair.com/)had this brilliant idea; we will be giving special commemorative ball caps to everyone who arrives at AirVenture 2007 piloting an experimental aircraft powered by an automobile (or motorcycle) engine. Pat, I am uneasy with the 2 pistons and 1 rotor art on your ball cap. Pistons are anathema to the rotary community. It would be better if there were two versions of the cap: one with pistons and one with a rotor. I don't believe Rotary people will wear a hat with pistons. It is not the category of automotive conversions we sponsor but rather, specifically, Mazda rotary engines -- and we emphasize without pistons. Ernie Kerr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C7C80A.E9769780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You=20 know, I just wish I were in a position to get a hat.  It looks = like it=20 may be 2 to 3 years off before I will be able to pick up a hat of my=20 own.  The joy that I have knowing that what I will be flying was = put=20 together by me and using engines that most people in grass roots = aviation Po,=20 Po at, makes it worth even that much more.  Guys that put = together=20 airplanes that run off weed eater motors get my kudos.   If = I had=20 that hat I would ware it with an air of distinction (Hey take a look = at the=20 aircraft that I have flying, and with a motor that was never intended = to get=20 off the ground).  It lets everyone know that you have an intimate = knowledge of the workings of every thing under the cowling firewall=20 forward.  You have knowledge that only a few possess about their=20 homebuilt airplanes.

Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP=20 Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing = changes
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Patrick=20 Panzera
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:27 PM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] FW: [FlyRotary] Re:=20 AirVenture Souvenir

Ernie,

 

I=92m = thinking you=92ve=20 missed the point of the hat.

It=92s not = to create=20 even further division, it=92s intended to = unite.

If you=92d = rather not=20 be part of the auto conversion =93group=94 then I recommend that you = simply not=20 accept the hat.

I=92ll = respect your=20 decision.

 

Should you = by chance=20 win =93best auto conversion=94 I would recommend that you decline the = honor as=20 well.

 

Maybe one = day when=20 there are sufficient numbers of rotary engines at any given event = (maybe=20 10+?), we=92ll be glad to sponsor the =93Best Rotary=94 engine award, = but maybe the=20 three rotor guys and the upcoming single rotor guys won=92t want to be = lumped=20 with the twin rotors... or maybe the turbo guys won=92t want to be = associated=20 with the N/A guys, and of course we couldn=92t possibly have the EFI = guys be=20 compared to the knuckle-dragging carb guys. And what if (heaven = forbid)=20 someone show up with a direct-drive rotary??? Or (gasp! A Norton!!!) = Or a even=20 a 10a or 12a???

 

With or = without a=20 logo, the words on the hat and the spirit in which it was created (and = presented) would remain the same. Auto Power. We see the effort of = building=20 and flying an automobile engine powered plane to OSH as the = accomplishment we=20 want to honor, and not because it=92s =93better=94 than a certified = engine, but more=20 because it takes creativity and a true EXPERIMENTAL spirit. THAT is = what we=20 want to honor.

 

But what if = the logo=20 had two rotors and one piston, would that be=20 better?

 

If so, = consider this:=20 Each piston represents one four-stroke cycle that requires two = revolutions of=20 the crank. Coupled together (180=BA apart or = in-line),=20 the two pistons represent one power episode per crank=20 revolution.

 

Each rotor = face=20 represents one four-stroke cycle that requires three revolutions of = the crank=20 to complete. There are three faces, obviously coupled together; = creating an=20 assembly that also represents one power episode per crank=20 revolution.

 

That being = said, the=20 image of two pistons and one rotor represent equality and unity among = true=20 experimenters.

 

I also have = to ask=20 what you drive... Any boingers in the = driveway?

 

I = personally have a=20 few boingers, all Mazda of course (a Mazda6 wagon, an MPV, a B2600i = and a=20 Prot=E9g=E9) but I also have an =9204 RX-8 and a 2nd Gen = (third one to=20 date... and not my last by any stretch) under=20 construction.

 

In the = hangar on the=20 other hand, nothing I have under construction can handle a rotary so = my=20 composite Dragonfly is set up to receive a 100 HP Corvair and the = magazine=92s=20 all-aluminum CH601XL currently has a 100 HP 3000cc VW mounted up. My=20 tube-and-rag Rans S-10 Sakota has a Rotax. Since I also like Corvair = engines,=20 I have a 1965 180hp Turbo Corsa project car parked next to the RX-7 = project=20 car.

 

Pat

 

On a side = note, we=92ll=20 be showcasing (in our booth at OSH) a commercial effort to bring = the Elippse=20 propeller to market. Two- three- and four-blade constant speed or = ground=20 adjustable are now available. We have an awesome article in our = current=20 issue.  Weighing in at = 32-33=20 pounds for a three-blade version, is it something that Tracy=92s = redrive can=20 handle?  =20

 

 

 

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Ehkerr@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 = 3:26=20 AM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = AirVenture=20 Souviner

 

In a message dated = 7/15/2007=20 6:34:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wgeslick@gmail.com=20 writes:

On 7/14/07, Patrick Panzera <Panzera@experimental-av= iation.com>=20 wrote: =

Hey Gang!

My = good friend=20 William Wynne (noted Corvair guru http://www.flycorvair.com/)had=20 this
brilliant idea; we will be giving special commemorative ball = caps=20 to
everyone who arrives at AirVenture 2007 piloting an = experimental=20 aircraft
powered by an automobile (or motorcycle)=20 engine.

Pat, I am uneasy with = the 2=20 pistons and  1 rotor art on your ball cap. Pistons are anathema = to the=20 rotary community. It would be better if there were two versions of the = cap:=20 one with pistons and one with a rotor. I don't believe Rotary people = will wear=20 a hat with pistons. It is not the category of automotive conversions = we=20 sponsor but rather, specifically, Mazda rotary engines -- and we = emphasize=20 without pistons.

Ernie=20 Kerr

Get a=20 sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com.

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