X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nlpi043.prodigy.net ([207.115.36.72] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTP id 2181561 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:27:23 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.36.72; envelope-from=Panzera@Experimental-Aviation.com X-ORBL: [69.228.13.36] Received: from CDPATXP1700 (ppp-69-228-13-36.dsl.frsn01.pacbell.net [69.228.13.36]) by nlpi043.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6H0QQtr008057 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:26:27 -0500 From: "Patrick Panzera" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: FW: [FlyRotary] Re: AirVenture Souvenir Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:26:46 -0700 Message-ID: <00f201c7c809$293309a0$3601a8c0@cd.constructiondesigns.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F3_01C7C7CE.7CD431A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcfHk+plPwS2Ek1KSnaj3SqMZN+uBwAJ6mLAABNb7jA= This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01C7C7CE.7CD431A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ernie, =20 I=92m thinking you=92ve missed the point of the hat. It=92s not to create even further division, it=92s intended to unite. If you=92d rather not be part of the auto conversion =93group=94 then I = recommend that you simply not accept the hat. I=92ll respect your decision. =20 Should you by chance win =93best auto conversion=94 I would recommend = that you decline the honor as well.=20 =20 Maybe one day when there are sufficient numbers of rotary engines at any given event (maybe 10+?), we=92ll be glad to sponsor the =93Best = Rotary=94 engine award, but maybe the three rotor guys and the upcoming single rotor guys won=92t want to be lumped with the twin rotors... or maybe the turbo = guys won=92t want to be associated with the N/A guys, and of course we = couldn=92t possibly have the EFI guys be compared to the knuckle-dragging carb = guys. And what if (heaven forbid) someone show up with a direct-drive = rotary??? Or (gasp! A Norton!!!) Or a even a 10a or 12a??? =20 With or without a logo, the words on the hat and the spirit in which it = was created (and presented) would remain the same. Auto Power. We see the = effort of building and flying an automobile engine powered plane to OSH as the accomplishment we want to honor, and not because it=92s =93better=94 = than a certified engine, but more because it takes creativity and a true EXPERIMENTAL spirit. THAT is what we want to honor.=20 =20 But what if the logo had two rotors and one piston, would that be = better? =20 If so, consider this: Each piston represents one four-stroke cycle that requires two revolutions of the crank. Coupled together (180=BA apart or in-line), the two pistons represent one power episode per crank = revolution. =20 Each rotor face represents one four-stroke cycle that requires three revolutions of the crank to complete. There are three faces, obviously coupled together; creating an assembly that also represents one power episode per crank revolution. =20 That being said, the image of two pistons and one rotor represent = equality and unity among true experimenters.=20 =20 I also have to ask what you drive... Any boingers in the driveway? =20 I personally have a few boingers, all Mazda of course (a Mazda6 wagon, = an MPV, a B2600i and a Prot=E9g=E9) but I also have an =9204 RX-8 and a 2nd = Gen (third one to date... and not my last by any stretch) under = construction. =20 In the hangar on the other hand, nothing I have under construction can handle a rotary so my composite Dragonfly is set up to receive a 100 HP Corvair and the magazine=92s all-aluminum CH601XL currently has a 100 HP 3000cc VW mounted up. My tube-and-rag Rans S-10 Sakota has a Rotax. = Since I also like Corvair engines, I have a 1965 180hp Turbo Corsa project car parked next to the RX-7 project car. =20 Pat =20 On a side note, we=92ll be showcasing (in our booth at OSH) a commercial effort to bring the Elippse propeller to market. Two- three- and = four-blade constant speed or ground adjustable are now available. We have an = awesome article in our current issue. Weighing in at 32-33 pounds for a = three-blade version, is it something that Tracy=92s redrive can handle? =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ehkerr@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:26 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: AirVenture Souviner =20 In a message dated 7/15/2007 6:34:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wgeslick@gmail.com writes: On 7/14/07, Patrick Panzera wrote:=20 Hey Gang! My good friend William Wynne (noted Corvair guru http://www.flycorvair.com/)had this brilliant idea; we will be giving special commemorative ball caps to everyone who arrives at AirVenture 2007 piloting an experimental = aircraft powered by an automobile (or motorcycle) engine. Pat, I am uneasy with the 2 pistons and 1 rotor art on your ball cap. Pistons are anathema to the rotary community. It would be better if = there were two versions of the cap: one with pistons and one with a rotor. I = don't believe Rotary people will wear a hat with pistons. It is not the = category of automotive conversions we sponsor but rather, specifically, Mazda = rotary engines -- and we emphasize without pistons. Ernie Kerr _____ =20 Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com = . ------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01C7C7CE.7CD431A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ernie,

 

I’m thinking you’ve = missed the point of the hat.

It’s not to create even = further division, it’s intended to unite.

If you’d rather not be part = of the auto conversion “group” then I recommend that you simply not = accept the hat.

I’ll respect your = decision.

 

Should you by chance win = “best auto conversion” I would recommend that you decline the honor as well. =

 

Maybe one day when there are = sufficient numbers of rotary engines at any given event (maybe 10+?), we’ll = be glad to sponsor the “Best Rotary” engine award, but maybe the = three rotor guys and the upcoming single rotor guys won’t want to be = lumped with the twin rotors... or maybe the turbo guys won’t want to be associated with the N/A guys, and of course we couldn’t possibly = have the EFI guys be compared to the knuckle-dragging carb guys. And what if = (heaven forbid) someone show up with a direct-drive rotary??? Or (gasp! A = Norton!!!) Or a even a 10a or 12a???

 

With or without a logo, the words = on the hat and the spirit in which it was created (and presented) would remain = the same. Auto Power. We see the effort of building and flying an automobile = engine powered plane to OSH as the accomplishment we want to honor, and not = because it’s “better” than a certified engine, but more = because it takes creativity and a true EXPERIMENTAL spirit. THAT is what we want to = honor.

=A0

But what if the logo had two rotors = and one piston, would that be better?

 

If so, consider this: Each piston represents one four-stroke = cycle that requires two revolutions of the crank. Coupled together = (180=BA apart or in-line), the two pistons represent one power = episode per crank revolution.

 

Each rotor face represents one = four-stroke cycle that requires three revolutions of the crank to complete. There = are three faces, obviously coupled together; creating an assembly that also = represents one power episode per crank revolution.

 

That being said, the image of two = pistons and one rotor represent equality and unity among true experimenters. =

 

I also have to ask what you = drive... Any boingers in the driveway?

 

I personally have a few boingers, = all Mazda of course (a Mazda6 wagon, an MPV, a B2600i and a Prot=E9g=E9) but = I also have an ’04 RX-8 and a 2nd Gen (third one to date... = and not my last by any stretch) under construction.

 

In the hangar on the other hand, = nothing I have under construction can handle a rotary so my composite Dragonfly is = set up to receive a 100 HP Corvair and the magazine’s all-aluminum = CH601XL currently has a 100 HP 3000cc VW mounted up. My tube-and-rag Rans S-10 = Sakota has a Rotax. Since I also like Corvair engines, I have a 1965 180hp = Turbo Corsa project car parked next to the RX-7 project = car.

 

Pat

 

On a side note, we’ll be = showcasing (in our booth at OSH) a commercial effort to bring the Elippse propeller to market. Two- = three- and four-blade constant speed or ground adjustable are now available. We = have an awesome article in our current issue.=A0 Weighing in at 32-33 pounds for a three-blade version, is it = something that Tracy’s redrive can handle?=A0=A0 =

 

 

 

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ehkerr@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, = 2007 3:26 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: AirVenture Souviner

 

In a message dated 7/15/2007 6:34:10 PM Eastern = Daylight Time, wgeslick@gmail.com writes:

On 7/14/07, Patrick Panzera <Panzera@experimental-a= viation.com> wrote:

Hey Gang!

My good friend William Wynne (noted Corvair guru http://www.flycorvair.com/)had this
brilliant idea; we will be giving special commemorative ball caps to
everyone who arrives at AirVenture 2007 piloting an experimental = aircraft
powered by an automobile (or motorcycle) = engine.

Pat, I am uneasy with the 2 pistons and  1 rotor = art on your ball cap. Pistons are anathema to the rotary community. It would be = better if there were two versions of the cap: one with pistons and one with a = rotor. I don't believe Rotary people will wear a hat with pistons. It is not the category of automotive conversions we sponsor but rather, specifically, = Mazda rotary engines -- and we emphasize without = pistons.

Ernie Kerr



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