X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 10 [X] Return-Path: Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.240] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2023770 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 May 2007 12:35:43 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.132.240; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so538553anc for ; Thu, 03 May 2007 09:34:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YT8fEf8Q+c90Ah5RW8F0i+wY32ZKgt7KkUnNQNVtQW52gFALkFSJ6HgNuseSrbHPHFUHVD0RooiHAX3NYZg1iwuCQIW4jPSPi8iNl0XbwCXAyK8NiEJkKh8fwYxteXNQpr7B/QLF1sW2M6N8rZWCl9M1ORm3veSEKkaBX8ZJSwg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rJY0uMFhEhmFCJSQP3GdYijYRFBE9kBH3xQVTNhLdYp3h0kstY4Nqfdt/KTOR5jw+0lOXn+qnAEZX4JoordRrsIIjP89eTvk7d203IixGBp7mzf5Q/Jh8R8d6oZGTMnqGgCepUYaQD45yLU/lXCrVMqe4loanFfJ7U2e9hY0jsQ= Received: by 10.100.247.11 with SMTP id u11mr1759716anh.1178210083193; Thu, 03 May 2007 09:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.173.2 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2007 09:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5cf132c0705030934k4df1306ex6174be598b76e9e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:34:43 -0500 From: "Mark Steitle" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Cooling area drag In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33680_11599280.1178210083111" References: ------=_Part_33680_11599280.1178210083111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ED, So, tell us, when is your book on cooling going to be available? Mark On 5/3/07, Ed Anderson wrote: > > Less we forget how important drag is in our hobby, I took a formula for > calculating drag at different airspeeds and the Hp required to push the > given frontal area along at the stated airspeed. > > This is for two of our traditional GM evaporator cores using their > combined frontal area of 180 sq inch or 1.25 sq feet. This assumes that > airspeed shown represents the velocity through the cooling core (which is > not really likely to reach speeds above 80 mph if you have any sort of > ducting), but that is an assumption on my part since as Bill keeps reminding > me I have not instrumented my ducts {:>) > > > Air Speed (MPH) > > HP > > 40 > > 0.533333 > > 60 > > 1.80 > > 80 > > 4.27 > > 120 > > 14.40 > > 140 > > 22.87 > > 160 > > 34.13 > > 180 > > 48.60 > > 200 > > 66.67 > > > Clearly the faster your cruise speed the more important it is to minimize > cooling drag. Of course the airspeed the core sees should normally not be > over 10% of your cruise speed or 30% of your climb speed (According to > Horners rule of thumb). So slowing down your cooling airflow to lessen drag > is one reason for paying some attention to your ducting. However, cooling > again depends on many other variables, for instance accepting a high > velocity airflow through your core may permit you to use a smaller frontal > area core thereby offsetting to some extent the higher drag. In fact, > space constraints may force you to his configuration regardless. > > Another factor to consider is trade off between frontal area drag and > thermal transfer efficiency. A large thin radiator is theoretical the most > efficient due to that factor. However, it disturbs a larger segment of air > (resulting in higher drag) - not really important in an auto at 60 mph but > very important in a Cozy at 200+ MPH. > > A thicker core with smaller frontal area disturbs less air and while it > has more skin drag that is small compared to the frontal area drag. Tracy > refers to the approach of thicker cores as "... getting the most cooling > possible for the smallest column of air disturbed". So while theoretically > the thicker core is less thermodynamic efficient - it turns out with > sufficient dynamic pressure available it provides definite benefits in our > application. The average thickness of NASCAR radiators is 3" and up to 7" > for the longer high speed tracts. Since they operate in speed regimes close > to what most of us fly - they just might know what they are doing given the > $$ they will spend for even a slight speed advantage. > > Ok, back to creating a company - boy, a lot to learn > > Ed > > > > > > > Ed Anderson > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > Matthews, NC > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > ------=_Part_33680_11599280.1178210083111 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
ED,
 
So, tell us, when is your book on cooling going to be available? 
 
Mark

 
On 5/3/07, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Less we forget how important drag is in our hobby, I took a formula for calculating drag at different airspeeds and the Hp required to push the given frontal area along at the stated airspeed.
 
This is for two of our traditional GM evaporator cores using their combined frontal area of  180 sq inch or 1.25 sq feet.  This assumes that airspeed shown represents the velocity through the cooling core (which is not really likely to reach speeds above 80 mph if you have any sort of ducting), but that is an assumption on my part since as Bill keeps reminding me I have not instrumented my ducts {:>)
 

Air Speed (MPH)

          HP

40

0.533333

60

1.80

80

4.27

120

14.40

140

22.87

160

34.13

180

48.60

200

66.67

 
 
Clearly the faster your cruise speed the more important it is to minimize cooling drag.  Of course the airspeed the core sees should normally not be over 10% of your cruise speed or 30% of your climb speed (According to Horners rule of thumb).  So slowing down your cooling airflow to lessen drag is one reason for paying some attention to your ducting.  However, cooling again depends on many other variables, for instance accepting a high velocity airflow through your core may permit you to use a smaller frontal area  core thereby offsetting to some extent the higher drag.  In fact, space constraints may force you to his configuration regardless.
 
Another factor to consider is trade off between frontal area drag and thermal transfer efficiency.  A large thin radiator is theoretical the most efficient due to that factor.  However, it disturbs a larger segment of air (resulting in higher drag) - not really important in an auto at 60 mph but very important in a Cozy at 200+ MPH.  
 
A thicker core with smaller frontal area disturbs less air and while it has more skin drag that is small compared to the frontal area drag.  Tracy refers to the approach of thicker cores as "... getting the most cooling possible for the smallest column of air disturbed".  So while theoretically the thicker core is less thermodynamic efficient - it turns out with sufficient dynamic pressure available it provides definite benefits in our application.   The average thickness of NASCAR radiators is 3" and up to 7" for the longer high speed tracts.  Since they operate in speed regimes close to what most of us fly - they just might know what they are doing given the $$ they will spend for even a slight speed advantage.
 
Ok, back to creating a company - boy, a lot to learn
 
Ed
 
 
 
  
 
 

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