X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 50 [XX] (67%) URL: contains host with port number (33%) BODY: text/html email has no html tag Return-Path: Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.243] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2022761 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 May 2007 00:10:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.132.243; envelope-from=rotary.thjakits@gmail.com Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so358783anc for ; Wed, 02 May 2007 21:10:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aE0KCOG2cKRKDogLTJMHLogV8cOiKUXYlh5szdtEWDU8FX+jlC2ZP4v23VUzyulNg16zDayh4F95oStPBz8dABH/Voe1KCxdrCfFzEtG4U2BQVWUjUAv8br10NYEaHaZK2F8Ojce3OWpwnifuZJ0rTvDiPrwe0+og3X3cztba9I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c6Yq9Dk1rcdFcbB07gJnQfJBdfxm2R2KiNbGVMEp/4D0HO8cA2ynqRosTscOAmzC7vQI5qJgcM8+zHW0qkbL2Qar8IhAPKZpQlZXHP+InbxmIQdIhltH1MGsF/7exXFn8Ec300lKSBgeSkvTHIG2BzBbo7lZ+T8ys9Af78TzHGw= Received: by 10.100.153.17 with SMTP id a17mr1165237ane.1178165401269; Wed, 02 May 2007 21:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.197.4 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2007 21:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <63163d560705022110q41ad07of032cecd8512d9b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:10:01 -0500 From: "Thomas Jakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Throttle body size/ other "Paul" issues In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24776_24085284.1178165401160" References: ------=_Part_24776_24085284.1178165401160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You are right, the text I quoted mentions boundary-layer thickness as an important factor. Though before I would glue VG's (howitzer) on the plane I'd try turbolator tape or sanding with 350 or 400 lengthwise in front of the inlet . Anything to energize the flow and thin out the b-layer. This may be another easy test for Ed - reversible too! Ed, try turbolator tape inside your ducts starting at some point and moving 1/4" wise around from it. If you hit the right spot, separation should be delayed, flow more efficient, cooler tems. Then you close the cowl-flaps and run faster! Another one would be to sand the inner surfaces lengthwise towards the radiator - should "streamline" and energize the boundary-flow - sometimes "as smooth as possible" is NOT the best way :) TJ On 5/2/07, marv@lancair.net wrote: > > I remember visiting a Velocity project a number of years ago that had a > well-constructed NACA duct in an improper location and it simply didn't do > the job. Rather than close it off and relocate it the builder installed a > row of vortex generators in front of the duct about as far away as the duct > was wide and it then worked like a charm. Perhaps not the most elegant > solution but another case for more than one way to skin the proverbial cat. > FWIW. > > > > > "Thomas Jakits" wrote: > > """ > just recently read about the Naca: > > It can work VERY WELL, *IF* > a) You have the right location > ...snip... > """ > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > ------=_Part_24776_24085284.1178165401160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
You are right, the text I quoted mentions boundary-layer thickness as an important factor.
Though before I would glue VG's (howitzer) on the plane I'd try turbolator tape or sanding with 350 or 400 lengthwise in front of the inlet . Anything to energize the flow and thin out the b-layer.
 
This may be another easy test for Ed - reversible too!
Ed, try turbolator tape inside your ducts starting at some point and moving 1/4" wise around from it.
If you hit the right spot, separation should be delayed, flow more efficient, cooler tems.
Then you close the cowl-flaps and run faster!
Another one would be to sand the inner surfaces lengthwise towards the radiator - should "streamline" and energize the boundary-flow - sometimes "as smooth as possible" is NOT the best way :)
 
TJ

 
On 5/2/07, marv@lancair.net <marv@lancair.net> wrote:
I remember visiting a Velocity project a number of years ago that had a well-constructed NACA duct in an improper location and it simply didn't do the job.  Rather than close it off and relocate it the builder installed a row of vortex generators in front of the duct about as far away as the duct was wide and it then worked like a charm.  Perhaps not the most elegant solution but another case for more than one way to skin the proverbial cat.  FWIW.

   <Marv>


 "Thomas Jakits" <rotary.thjakits@gmail.com > wrote:

"""
just recently read about the Naca:

It can work VERY WELL, *IF*
a) You have the right location
...snip...
"""

 

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