Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 2626667 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:16:03 -0400 Received: from unknown (31.birmingham-08-09rs.al.dial-access.att.net[12.86.91.31]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003100703155911100p6nhne>; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:15:59 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c38c81$1d1e4a20$1f5b560c@unknown> From: "Michael D. Callahan" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mill/Lathe tools Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:14:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C38C57.33666DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C38C57.33666DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageEd, I was not trying to take you to task for your comments at all, and = not trying to "win an argument". You have a machine that will teach you = a lot about machining, but as you proceed, you will find that it has = many drawbacks that I have mentioned. You have a much more capable = machine than I had, and I certainly realize that, too. You will learn to = work around the machine's weaknesses and make about whatever you want. I = had never thought of it before, but that machine, with a lathe type = milling attachment, could be pretty handy. A mini horizontal mill. I = think you will manage to justify a fine old Bridgeport in the future, = though;-)...and a nice big lathe, and a nice horizontal mill (man those = things will REALLY cut, makes a big vertical machine look like a toy on = a slotting operation), and you might as well get a shaper since you have = all that... lol!! See how this works?!! Rusty, If you feel like the Shoptask is right for you, then go for it. I = won't think lesser of you... (no more than I would if you traded your = RX-7 for a Kia:-P) Besides, I saw the comment about the bigger shop and = upgrading or selling later... HAHAH!! You guys are now hooked as bad as = I am!=20 .....Well maybe not quite as bad.... This morning, I stopped down = the road to look at two old neglected machines. I think I am going to = see if I can get tax exempt status for my shop as a "shelter for = homeless machine tools"! Poor little old 10000lb Gisholt turret lathe = and little 3500lb Barber Colman gear hob sitting all alone and unwanted = outside that shop, they will even have to spend the cold night out = there... I MUST find homes for them;-) ... This insatiable desire for heavy metal must be a remnant of my past = career (if you can call it that) in rock music or something.... I use = the excuse that it keeps the foundation securely attached to the ground, = otherwise, the whole shop might fly off into space due to the rotation = of the Earth! Mike C. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Russell Duffy=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mill/Lathe tools Greetings all, First, I would like to profusely thank everyone for their input on = this subject. Many of you have taken lots of time, to research, and = type suggestions, and I really do appreciate it! Mike, the army tech = manual was VERY helpful, since it answered many of my basic questions. = It might answer all of them if I enlisted in the army, and someone = forced me to read all of it :-) Dale, your import links were equally = useful. =20 I've spend many, MANY hours over the last few days looking into = machine tools, and think I have finally come to a conclusion. At this = point in time, for my projected uses, I believe the 3 in 1 Shoptask = machine is the most reasonable purchase. It has a lot of bang for the = buck, as well as bang for the sq ft. It is so vastly superior to = anything I've ever had, that I can't even comprehend all that it will = do. Believe me, I have spent a considerable amount of time thinking of = all the things I could have used this for in the past, and the things = that I need it for now, and in the future. I don't believe it's size = will not be a serious limitation for me. Sure, I can think of a few = things that I couldn't do with it, but then again, I might not be able = to do those things with the next size up machine either. You've got to = draw the line somewhere. =20 If I buy the Shoptask, the worst possible outcome is that I find that = I really like machining parts, and want to upgrade to something bigger. = Step one will be to build a real workshop (a current consideration = anyway), then I can shop for some good old American heavy metal. At = that point, I could either move the Shoptask to the hanger, or sell it = at a loss. Say I lose $1000 selling it. It certainly won't be the = first $1000 I've thrown away, and I would probably consider it a fair = price to pay to prove that it's worth buying a large, serious machine. = Yep, I may just order one tomorrow. =20 Thanks again for all the comments. Oddly, I feel like I'm letting = some of you down by making this decision. =20 Cheers, Rusty ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C38C57.33666DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ed,
    I was not trying to take you to = task for=20 your comments at all, and not trying to "win an argument". You have a = machine=20 that will teach you a lot about machining, but as you proceed, you will = find=20 that it has many drawbacks that I have mentioned. You have a much more = capable=20 machine than I had, and I certainly realize that, too. You will learn to = work=20 around the machine's weaknesses and make about whatever you want. I had = never=20 thought of it before, but that machine, with a lathe type milling = attachment,=20 could be pretty handy. A mini horizontal mill. I think you will manage = to=20 justify a fine old Bridgeport in the future, though;-)...and a nice big = lathe,=20 and a nice horizontal mill (man those things will REALLY cut, makes = a big=20 vertical machine look like a toy on a slotting operation), and you might = as well=20 get a shaper since you have all that... lol!! See how this = works?!!
 
Rusty,
    If you feel like the Shoptask is = right for=20 you, then go for it. I won't think lesser of you... (no more than I = would if you=20 traded your RX-7 for a Kia:-P) Besides, I saw the comment about the = bigger shop=20 and upgrading or selling later... HAHAH!! You guys are now hooked = as bad as=20 I am! 
    .....Well maybe not quite as = bad.... This=20 morning, I stopped down the road to look at two old neglected machines. = I think=20 I am going to see if I can get tax exempt status for my shop as a = "shelter for=20 homeless machine tools"! Poor little old 10000lb Gisholt turret lathe = and little=20 3500lb Barber Colman gear hob sitting all alone and unwanted outside = that shop,=20 they will even have to spend the cold night out there... I MUST find = homes for=20 them;-) ...
    This insatiable desire for heavy=20 metal must be a remnant of my past career (if you can call it = that) in=20 rock music or something.... I use the excuse that it keeps the = foundation=20 securely attached to the ground, otherwise, the whole shop might fly off = into=20 space due to the rotation of the Earth! Mike C.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Russell=20 Duffy
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 = 9:49=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mill/Lathe=20 tools

Greetings=20 all,
 
First, I=20 would like to profusely thank everyone for their input on this = subject. =20 Many of you have taken lots of time, to research, and type = suggestions, and I=20 really do appreciate it!  Mike, the army tech manual was VERY = helpful,=20 since it answered many of my basic questions.  It might answer = all of=20 them if I enlisted in the army, and someone forced me to read all of = it=20 :-)  Dale, your import links were equally useful. =20
 
I've spend=20 many, MANY hours over the last few days looking into machine = tools, and=20 think I have finally come to a conclusion.  At this point in = time, for my=20 projected uses, I believe the 3 in 1 Shoptask machine is the most = reasonable purchase.  It has a lot of bang for the buck, as well = as bang=20 for the sq ft.  It is so vastly superior to anything I've ever = had,=20 that I can't even comprehend all that it will = do.  Believe me,=20 I have spent a considerable amount of time thinking of all the things = I could=20 have used this for in the past, and the things that I need it for now, = and in=20 the future.  I don't believe it's size will not be a serious = limitation for me.  Sure, I can think of a few things that I = couldn't do=20 with it, but then again, I might not be able to do those things with = the next=20 size up machine either.  You've got to draw the line=20 somewhere.  
 
If I buy=20 the Shoptask, the worst possible outcome is that I find that I really = like=20 machining parts, and want to upgrade to something = bigger.  Step one=20 will be to build a real workshop (a current consideration anyway), = then I=20 can shop for some good old American heavy metal.  At that point, = I could=20 either move the Shoptask to the hanger, or sell it at a loss.  = Say I lose=20 $1000 selling it.  It certainly won't be the first $1000 I've = thrown=20 away, and I would probably consider it a fair price to pay to prove = that it's=20 worth buying a large, serious machine.  Yep, I may just = order=20 one tomorrow.  
 
Thanks=20 again for all the comments.  Oddly, I feel like I'm letting some = of you=20 down by making this decision.  
 
Cheers,
Rusty=20   
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