X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao02.cox.net ([68.230.241.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with ESMTP id 1593276 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:28:49 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.37; envelope-from=steve@stevet.net Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061122142819.WOET97.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:28:19 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.203] ([68.6.58.190]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id pqUR1V00V46FLUs0000000; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:28:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--932580140 Message-Id: <2CC5D1A2-8C7F-4AC0-B246-3FB8BA4EFB61@stevet.net> From: Steve Thomas Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engines in aircraft other than kit built Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:28:17 -0800 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) --Apple-Mail-10--932580140 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed You definitely need to contact Mistral Engines. They are the closest =20= to providing what you need. And if you can install a non-=20 certificated engine, theirs is still the best way to go and they =20 would be happy to help you. Contact Fran=E7ois Badoux at: f.badoux@mistral-engines.com Also see: http://www.mistral-engines.com I have one of their engines, but am not flying yet. If you have any =20 further questions, I'll try to answer off-line. Best Regards, Steve Thomas SteveT.Net 805-569-0336 --Apple-Mail-10--932580140 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: image/gif; x-mac-type=47494666; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-creator=3842494D; name=Authrzd_Bus_Agnt_Red_1ln_sm.gif Content-Disposition: inline; filename=Authrzd_Bus_Agnt_Red_1ln_sm.gif R0lGODlhkAATAMQfAPzZ1vNyaPFYTdLT1P78/PBHOvvJxv7z86+xtPm6tfeblObn6PJlWviqpP3s 6vWCevaTjO86LP3k4vaMhfehm/Pz8/myrPvRzvzf3frBvf3o57y+wP749/7w76eprP///yH5BAEA AB8ALAAAAACQABMAAAX/4CeOIjFsA6mubOu+cCzPdP0OnrfYfO//QGAltyEEj8ikcobbVJbQqNRG WAwWlcpiezVOv2BpZZPzIE6IsjPMbv8q6bJcnnLb7zDcfL/hvA5eLgcZDjIaGDMdCR0jHBIaMhiF Rxx+QGR7cgg7LgkFDS0HEh8YBQYyEwyBLwARFyUMAgIMiC4EAgqUsZM2B4hxmUSrKwERqh+VHwR+ CgyOpg6WHx2jyhwEHQAZHwcdB4DTtcoOF64iHJ8aAgHIRskfEowZAMsfGoES1R8O98gS0h8uFIiQ YIQDRpY0VPPTgdEHBQI6AAtWxIWDAhQKAPjwIFeGAAIjBAAwa9YoC7IC/2RjEGCChQkdAsQSoCGB rAcENMw0h+yTAwYQfiJ6QIFDAAEPDjxIgIHlOkYQBVAgQGEWAAAMGFAgASHAA3YPZ2n9UBUXR5kF MpQyNjETgictUN7ayuDBB09KBWCQUOCBQAUYIjTgO6FVAAwQVAEQGIAvobQPBABQwJODgAID90bY CNSAq3tSW0EoZ0EgBgMFBELowCEyvxG3EqDm4DmBaAAaW2EIkDpya8mYguWow+JBhAcFGHxoebfA Q+V8XwWAYKGAEYimPyQWAaHAIJG8GzAAFfhVTwoAAhzW+AHogVgJCGjFPUpqA5EMUnefwCFD8o0i BMZSBAZUJQJQFoBniv9XzT33gR7CDQcXCRdNkAAEETig3gcNOLcdX6dMl0GGHDEg0CjbJWDOiPNI IgAEAVWWFlmpmfOiCJRhhV4B9VHQ4QUAYOCHavsc5YUCBVhg0wPVMfJidQYEKZ9dnmgnwAcLRCgH JySoWMgBn9wXmXUJQlBKiEnNMkEE80SASCp8HTdSVhDwR8FxDMhYVwEQWIZUBApcMMEEBTSFnpsf vCjBOhBQ0MEEGTVgQVfHWGYXjRikFAEEBzCaS10fVBdqBBMQEJxwFalgACgiJLANBQ9kYEElCgQ1 2F3baABBrPs0wIgBCWhAQa1BHaBARwdwuJQFkCjzEgTbfAAAUQlcgMFYA36FekEHvoZ6CgYTPNAA B7A2QEAGD0DQ7AHoiSCsNw3YBKMEu4IiGynmcqDABFhqqQMeACNBgAKT8kQDhJkQF/DCPRCQWADR 1mACAmdwQfEAwzCsMRghAAA7 --Apple-Mail-10--932580140 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed ____________________________________________________________________ On Nov 21, 2006, at 11:34 PM, jready@efni.com wrote: > I haven't gotten an answer yet from Transport Canada with regards > to swapping a certified aviation engine for a rotary, but > everything I can find in the Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) > says the owner maintenance catagory pretty much gives you free > reign to do as you please. > Under the owner maintenance regulations, the aircraft is registered > under a "special certificate of airworthiness - owner > maintenance". This allows the owner to sign off on all self > completed maintenance tasks. Non certified parts can be used, as > well as engines, as long as you can prove it meets the intent of > the standards. I don't think installing a rotary is that far > outside the standard. > Essentially an owner maintenance aircraft falls in the same > catagory as a hombuilt kit - the pilot has the ultimate say of what > is airworthy, as defined in the standards, outlined in the CARs. > Short story long, it's the owner, doing the maintenance, flying the > plane - kind of self policing the maintenance. > Jason > WRJJRS@aol.com writes: >> Jason, >> Your idea certainly has merit, but your options are going to be >> very limited. If you don't buy a completed kit plane (a possible >> good way to go) the only real alternative is Mistral Engines. >> They are working on a certified version of the Rotary. Theirs is >> a beautiful engine package that runs to normal aircraft prices. >> They have not certified an engine yet so you would have to wait a >> while to get an aircraft with a STC'ed engine change. I don't know >> what the legality of putting a non-certified engine in a >> certified aircraft is in Canada (good neighbor to the north). In >> the US the FAA makes it a true pain in the butt. FWIW >> Bill Jepson Greetings all.... I've been an on and off lurker on >> this list for a couple of years now. I really enjoy reading >> about these engines and the success many have had. My original >> intent was to go the kit route and install a rotary engine for >> all the obvious reasons. But after some deep soul searching, >> I've discovered kit building is not the best route for me. I'm >> not a builder. I don't have the time, the space or the desire to >> build, I just want to fly. I am willing to tinker a bit and the >> rotary really intrigues me. Despite this discovery, the idea of >> flying a certified aircraft being pulled through the air by a >> dinosaur engine doesn't appeal to me, especially when there is a >> better alternative in the rotary. Is there anyone on this list >> who has or knows someone who has swapped out a traditional air >> cooled banger for a rotary? Here in Canada we can register >> certain aircraft models as owner maintenance, which means a ton >> of savings on maintenance costs and repairs. I'm currently >> looking to find a good 4 seat Cessna with a high time or time >> ex'd engine that can be swapped to a rotary. I assume it would >> be a fairly easy job to mount and controls should also be pretty >> straight forward. It should be a close swap $'s wise for a >> complete rotary install if I can sell the removal engine core. >> Am I way off the runway centreline here, or does my idea have >> merit? Jason >> Ontario Canada > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ > --Apple-Mail-10--932580140--