X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with ESMTP id 1581871 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 09:37:37 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-098-162.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.98.162]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kAJEbEhP016420 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 09:37:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000301c70be8$3979f2c0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Spark Plugs Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 09:37:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Spark Plugs > Ed Anderson wrote: > >> I agree that the "idea" auto spark plug for the flying rotary is still >> waiting in the wings. I am currently using a special lead scavenging >> formula to see if it can extend the useful life of lead fouled spark >> plugs (don't ask I don't know what's in it {:>)). Well, see whether it >> does anything for the problem. >> >> I normally get approx 25 hours on a set before SAG sets in using 100LL. >> I speculate that one reason that such things as TCP do not appear to do >> much for the rotary engine is that the chemical reaction apparently >> (according to reports) requires the high cylinder head temperatures of >> air cooled cylinders (like 375F +). I believe that with our plugs buried >> within the housing (as opposed to protruding into the combustion chamber >> (and they had better not or you will clip your apex seals), that the >> plugs do not reach a sufficiently high temperature to deter fouling or to >> activate the TCP chemical reaction. So perhaps a "hotter" plug might >> help - on the other hand, since we are running WOT for longer periods >> that many rotary racers - I'm not certain I want a hotter plug. >> >> I have tried fine wire and the stock plugs - but both seemed to have the >> same problem of lead fouling the ceramic cone and "bleeding" off spark >> causing misfiring. >> >> My $0.02 >> >> Ed > > > Back in the bad old days when cars ran leaded gas & transistors were only > found in spacecraft, there was an after market plug with construction > known as 'surface gap'. The porcelain filled the area between the > electrode & thread body. The 'gap' was the distance from the electrode to > the thread body. > > Anyone know whether these plugs are still available? It would seem that if > nothing else, it might make cleaning the lead a bit easier. > > Charlie > > Actually,Charlie, they still make them and they are available. Jason had them in his engine at Pecan Plantation. I looked into using them but when I read that one of the possible short-comings of this type of "surface gap" plug was fouling, I decided not to even buy a set, but wait until Jason reported back on how his were working out. I agree they would appear easier to clean once they fouled, but if they fouled twice as readily, not much gained {:>) Ed