X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net ([204.127.192.85] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with ESMTP id 1574450 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:04:08 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.192.85; envelope-from=rlwhite@comcast.net Received: from quail.site (failure[68.35.160.229]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20061117020349m1500asq60e>; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:03:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:04:19 -0700 From: Bob White To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions Message-Id: <20061116190419.658967dd.rlwhite@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.10 (GTK+ 2.8.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The place I used to work had two quality goals: 1. Do it right the first time 2. Continuous improvement If you do it right the first time, how can you improve it? Never did quite figure it out. Bob W. On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:11:50 -0500 "Ed Anderson" wrote: > Couldn't agree more, Bill. I'd settle for doing it right the second time {:>) > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: wrjjrs@aol.com > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:10 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions > > > Ed, > That is just the way it is in engineering. It is always easier to do it better the second time! There was a sign on the wall of one of the places I worked, I learned the meaning of later. "The trouble with doing everything right the first time is that people don't understand how hard that actually was!" > Bill Jepson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com > To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net > Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 4:49 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions > > > I agree with your weight assessment, Bill. Pay attention to every ounce as they quickly add up into pounds. I figure I could remove approx 15-20 lbs of weight if I redid my FWF again from scratch based on lessons learned. Its easier to keep the weight down than to remove it later {:>) > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WRJJRS@aol.com > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:15 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions > > > In a message dated 11/15/2006 4:37:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, bob@hassel-usa.com writes: > How does the flying weight compare on the 20B with a lyco 360 for example? > > Thanks, > > Bob > Bob, Mistral is listing the weight of the 20B conversion at 395 with radiators I believe. The 20B will produce IO 540 like HP though. The 13B done well can make almost 200HP without even P-porting. Most 13B's so far are about the same weight as a 360 with all the plumbing. Carefully setup the 13B NA engine shoould be lighter than a O-360, you just need to do a carefull engineering job. > Bill Jepson > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com First engine start 1/7/06 - Special Airworthiness Certificate 10/1/06 Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/