X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.208] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with ESMTP id 1573490 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:12:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.138.208; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id q.cf2.2178f85 (52322) for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-MA20 (webmail-ma20.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.84]) by ciaaol-d02.mail.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD028-cc62455cc614131; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:12:04 -0500 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:12:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: wrjjrs@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C8D7D29E7B1077_B50_5A5D_WEBMAIL-MA20.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 22250 Received: from 65.161.241.3 by WEBMAIL-MA20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:12:04 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8D7D29E7B1077-B50-308C@WEBMAIL-MA20.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.88.84 X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MB_8C8D7D29E7B1077_B50_5A5D_WEBMAIL-MA20.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John, Respectfully submitted, but isn't that obvious? A design does no good that sits on a shelf. I am reminded of General George Patton, "A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow." Bill -----Original Message----- From: downing.j@sbcglobal.net To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:22 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions No engineering is ever complete until it is field tested. IMHO JohnD ----- Original Message ----- From: wrjjrs@aol.com To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions Ed, That is just the way it is in engineering. It is always easier to do it better the second time! There was a sign on the wall of one of the places I worked, I learned the meaning of later. "The trouble with doing everything right the first time is that people don't understand how hard that actually was!" Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions I agree with your weight assessment, Bill. Pay attention to every ounce as they quickly add up into pounds. I figure I could remove approx 15-20 lbs of weight if I redid my FWF again from scratch based on lessons learned. Its easier to keep the weight down than to remove it later {:>) Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: WRJJRS@aol.com To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions In a message dated 11/15/2006 4:37:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, bob@hassel-usa.com writes: How does the flying weight compare on the 20B with a lyco 360 for example? Thanks, Bob Bob, Mistral is listing the weight of the 20B conversion at 395 with radiators I believe. The 20B will produce IO 540 like HP though. The 13B done well can make almost 200HP without even P-porting. Most 13B's so far are about the same weight as a 360 with all the plumbing. Carefully setup the 13B NA engine shoould be lighter than a O-360, you just need to do a carefull engineering job. Bill Jepson Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ----------MB_8C8D7D29E7B1077_B50_5A5D_WEBMAIL-MA20.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
John, Respectfully submitted, but isn't that obvious? A design does no good that sits on a shelf. I am reminded of General George Patton, "A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow."
Bill 
 
 
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To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:22 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions

No engineering is ever complete until it is field tested.  IMHO  JohnD
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:10 PM
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Ed,
That is just the way it is in engineering. It is always easier to do it better the second time! There was a sign on the wall of one of the places I worked, I learned the meaning of later. "The trouble with doing everything right the first time is that people don't understand how hard that actually was!"
Bill Jepson 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com
To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 4:49 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions

I agree with your weight assessment, Bill.  Pay attention to every ounce as they quickly add up into pounds.  I figure I could remove approx 15-20 lbs of weight if I redid my FWF again from scratch based on lessons learned. Its easier to keep the weight down than to remove it later {:>)
 
Ed
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:15 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions

In a message dated 11/15/2006 4:37:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, bob@hassel-usa.com writes:
How does the flying weight compare on the 20B with a lyco 360 for example?
 
Thanks,
 
Bob
Bob, Mistral is listing the weight of the 20B conversion at 395 with radiators I believe. The 20B will produce IO 540 like HP though. The 13B done well can make almost 200HP without even P-porting. Most 13B's so far are about the same weight as a 360 with all the plumbing. Carefully setup the 13B NA engine shoould be lighter than a O-360, you just need to do a carefull engineering job.
Bill Jepson
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