X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([68.142.229.92] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with SMTP id 1573341 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:20:32 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.229.92; envelope-from=downing.j@sbcglobal.net Received: (qmail 69993 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2006 19:17:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=aMlgBJU09F3uYC84f0qIpiWNwZbx6ZUOLN1COCxQoAPHJoG1G1KcoGDzydDrG/MfIxKjT+Igo+ubNgHSKL6Nls9zvCyqTJumPtuX2mTSRLR6l8F/pp9hrLX1P7F+aPHxFZRYQTiBOvFSu67aVKtbJVxwTzSVY+pf8jJ0RbE+hMo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO mom) (downing.j@sbcglobal.net@75.40.249.131 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2006 19:17:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4fl_dp8VM1kcint6UYSLosbLDf_fbAHYxuaGm4yiWPI9r8LJUufV9Vl9RB2k7tpYrvicd9hid9FD87.z2RBfKaYakCcuPITcGncpBE2ofSRSG6_Zcmc3cA-- Message-ID: <002001c709b4$a09f34a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: "John Downing" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:22:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7098A.B76C1880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7098A.B76C1880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No engineering is ever complete until it is field tested. IMHO JohnD ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wrjjrs@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions Ed, That is just the way it is in engineering. It is always easier to do = it better the second time! There was a sign on the wall of one of the = places I worked, I learned the meaning of later. "The trouble with doing = everything right the first time is that people don't understand how hard = that actually was!" Bill Jepson=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions I agree with your weight assessment, Bill. Pay attention to every = ounce as they quickly add up into pounds. I figure I could remove = approx 15-20 lbs of weight if I redid my FWF again from scratch based on = lessons learned. Its easier to keep the weight down than to remove it = later {:>) Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WRJJRS@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B questions In a message dated 11/15/2006 4:37:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, = bob@hassel-usa.com writes: How does the flying weight compare on the 20B with a lyco 360 for = example? Thanks, Bob Bob, Mistral is listing the weight of the 20B conversion at 395 with = radiators I believe. The 20B will produce IO 540 like HP though. The 13B = done well can make almost 200HP without even P-porting. Most 13B's so = far are about the same weight as a 360 with all the plumbing. Carefully = setup the 13B NA engine shoould be lighter than a O-360, you just need = to do a carefull engineering job. Bill Jepson -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and = security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from = across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7098A.B76C1880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No engineering is ever complete until it is = field=20 tested.  IMHO  JohnD
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From:=20 wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 16, = 2006 1:10=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby = 20B=20 questions

Ed,
That is just the way it is in engineering. It is = always easier to do=20 it better the second time! There was a sign on the wall of one of the = places I=20 worked, I learned the meaning of later. "The trouble with doing = everything=20 right the first time is that people don't understand how hard that = actually=20 was!"
Bill Jepson 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 eanderson@carolina.rr.com
To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Sent: = Thu, 16=20 Nov 2006 4:49 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newby 20B = questions

I agree with your weight assessment, Bill.  = Pay=20 attention to every ounce as they quickly add up into pounds.  I = figure I=20 could remove approx 15-20 lbs of weight if I redid my FWF again from = scratch=20 based on lessons learned. Its easier to keep the weight down than to = remove it=20 later {:>)
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 WRJJRS@aol.com=20
To: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Sent: Thursday, November 16, = 2006 12:15=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Newby 20B=20 questions

In a message dated 11/15/2006 4:37:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, = bob@hassel-usa.com=20 writes:
How=20 does the flying weight compare on the 20B with a lyco 360 for=20 example?
 
Thanks,
 
Bob
Bob, Mistral is listing the weight of the 20B conversion at 395 = with=20 radiators I believe. The 20B will produce IO 540 like HP though. The = 13B=20 done well can make almost 200HP without even P-porting. Most 13B's = so far=20 are about the same weight as a 360 with all the plumbing. Carefully = setup=20 the 13B NA engine shoould be lighter than a O-360, you just need to = do a=20 carefull engineering job.
Bill Jepson
Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive = set of free=20 safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality = videos from=20 across the web, free AOL Mail and = more.
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