Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #34157
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Coolant Pressure was Thermostat (was: Rotary Round up 2006)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:34:02 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Lynn,
 
Let me ask you a question that has puzzled me - perhaps you have observed the same if you monitor your coolant pressure in racing (which you may not).  I (and Tracy) noticed a couple of years ago that immediately upon start up the coolant pressure would go to 20-25 psi.  Immediate fear is of course a combustion chamber/coolant galley leak past the coolant "O" rings.  However, that turned out not to be the case.   The pressure would return to normal (5-7 psi) once the engine warmed up.  This did not occur right after changing the coolant but only after the engine had been run several times.  It would start showing up in my engine after about the 3rd flight.
 
The best theory we could come up with is that all the air had been  removed from the coolant system and with an incompressible liquid filling it completely - that the initial heat of combustion was immediately causing the coolant to pressurize as even a smidgen of expansion would be reflected in pressure (as there was no air to compress).  Once the engine heats up the metal expands and the volume of the coolant galleys increase infinitesimally - but enough to lower the pressure.  Once the engine heated up the pressure would react normally - although at cruise the pressure would often read zero.
 
In fact, Tracy has designed his new RV-8 3 rotor coolant system to always maintain a small amount of air in the header tank so as to have a more "normal" pressure gradient.
 
Have you had any similar experience or theory about a possible cause???
 
 
Ed
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Copperstate Fly-in (was: Rotary Round up 2006)

In a message dated 10/30/2006 7:50:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
This was all 4-5 years ago and  could be I was just overlooking something - but, couldn't figure out what it was, so pulled out the thermostat.
 
Ed
Sorry, I forgot about your plugs up deal. Years ago there was a sender of some kind in the top of the center iron. I placed my water temp sender there. When filling with coolant I could loosen that sender and almost all of the trapped air would escape. This why I have stayed with the make up tank idea since 1980. Some of the air will just not move out at less than full throttle. I like the air showing up in the tank, rather than sitting beside a hot spot killing the engine. In three heat cycles, there is no air left at all. I keep the tank 1/3 full for the whole season. it never uses any additional coolant. I pressurize the coolant until the cap releases after checking coolant levels.
 
I forgot to say that I use 10% antifreeze in the coolant. Racing in October can get rather cool.
 
Lynn E. Hanover   
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