Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #3364
From: Barnhart <dsbarno@vbe.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B's
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:06:06 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 1:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B's

    Thanks very much for taking the time to answer my questions!  I'm curious as to why you suggest the Renesis engine?  What things are improved w/ this new engine? I'm wondering though, if cost wouldn't out-way the incentive because you would have to buy a new engine from Mazda? Compared to the price of a 20B engine?  I tried looking up info on this new engine on Google and didn't really get anywhere and I wondering if you have other sources?  Do you know even ruffly the improvements a person could expect over the 20B?weights?Power?  If you had to do this all over again, what changes would you make? Would you still go w/ the 20B, Renesis? or something else? If you don't mind me asking [ just tell you you'd rather not say]  How much do you have into your 20B install? How is the price of the Catto prop compared to say and IVO Magnum?   Is your 20B install a normal breather or a turbo'd version?

 

Thanks very much for all your help!  I'm working on my own design and I can literally build the airframe to suite the engine or the other way around, but before I do I need to get all the facts I can!

 

Jarrett;

 

The 2-rotor Renesis will put out close to 90% of the hp of the 3-rotor 20B.  It is considerably lighter and probably has a bit lower BSFC.  The lighter rotors running at higher speed may even be smoother than the 20B.  Tracy already has the redrive for it.

 

I paid Atkins $6500 for the rebuilt 20B block plus alternator and water pump.  From what I understand, that is about the same price as a new renesis.  With all the custom parts, pieces, cooler, 2 radiators, inconel tangential muffler, intake manifold, TB, injectors, redrive, controller, fittings etc., etc., etc.; I have close to $22,000 into this installation.  It is normally aspirated; plenty of power for a plane that is designed for 200hp Lycoming.

 

I don’t regret anything about doing this engine installation, or building the plane.  I haven’t flown it yet, but I expect it to excellent.  If I had it all to do over again, I’d give serious consideration to buying an airplane and going flying.  But then you’re going on step further.  I started with a kit.

 

The Catto prop is $1650.  Don’t know the current price for the Ivo Magnum, but I guess it’s a couple hundred more.  I not impressed with the IVO from a reliability standpoint, and I think the pitch distribution limits top end performance if you expect to go over about 210-220 kts.

 

Just one guy’s point of view. . .

Al

 
Another point of view.......
 
I'm only going for 300 hp, and a turbo that will give me 300hp at 7,500 - 10,000 ft.  I'm a firm believer in cubes/rotors over lots of gadgets.  I can loose a rotor (which will probably not happen, but you never know) and still have at least 180 hp to limp in on.  I'm building a Murphy Super Rebel which will be either a bush plane or wearing a  serious set of Amphibs. My install will be ALOT lighter than any Ly/Con could ever dream of with much  more reliability. Not only will my 20bt be lighter, more reliable and I'll only have about  $15,000 in the new engine. Look up the price on a 300 hp turbo, make sure you are sitting down when you see the stats.... I won't have to worry about shock cooling the engine in the winter when it set up on skis, and it will be warm in the cabin, just like a car. No preheating problems also.  Don't have to worry about the politics/reality or whatever fuel they will be using in aviation fuel. Get a big block LY/CON and cross your fingers.  Going with a Catto electric prop. Heard too much bad info on Ivo's.
 
I see the RX 8 as a new engine, the bugs not out of it yet. 10,000 ft is not the time or place to take care of them.
 
Bad points.
 
Thirsty on fuel. Just as bad a as a certified turbo. You have to know what makes it tick. Will be hauling spare parts. I'm putting the engine together. Building with quality in mind, not on how cheap I can get away with.  At a rotormotor several years ago, there were six of us building 20b,s. Totally different ideas on how to build them on totally different aircraft.
 
I think that Al and I feel about the same on our installs.
 
Barny
MGDQ 20bt
 

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