Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #32885
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: ***SPAM*** [FlyRotary] Re: Exhaust pipes
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:41:35 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Yes, Joe, after the ball joints they join the muffler which is supported to the fuselage
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Hull
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: ***SPAM*** [FlyRotary] Re: Exhaust pipes

Ed,

Are the pipes supported anywhere but at the flange?

 

Joe Hull

Cozy Mk-IV N31CZ (65 hrs - Rotary 13B NA)

Redmond (Seattle), Washington

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:34 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: ***SPAM*** [FlyRotary] Re: Exhaust pipes

 

Just for another reference point, I have two 2" dia 0.11" thick stainless Steel (304) pipes as my headers.  Each header is approx 18" long and make one 90 deg turn before exiting out the bottom of the cowl.  I now have over 400 hours running time on these headers.   They were welded by an aerospace welder who used to weld turbine blades - need I say a  great job?  Since the two pipes  are not  attached to the same point anywhere, any heat related expansion stress is at a minimum. 

 

I do use "ball joints" between the headers and the muffler tubes.

 

Ed

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Al Gietzen

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:47 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Exhaust pipes

 


From the pictures of his exhaust system, it appears that the pipes were supporting the muffler can.  My understanding, is that the entire exhaust will glow red, and the metal will soften (as in almost melt) at high power settings.

The melting point of inconel is over 2500F.  Things will start to glow at about 1000F if the light isn’t too bright.  It is still quite strong at our exhaust temps.  It is worth noting that one of the features of expanding the gas into the large tube is that the temperature drops (Charle’s Law of expanding gases); the temp of the large tube is somewhat below the temp in the header (how much lower depends on too many factors that I don’t know) and depends on backpressure and engine rpm.

 

Al W. brings up a good point. I had been primarily considering thermal stress, but stress due to vibration from the engine  (aside from exhaust pulses) could be a major factor.  Some high frequency resonance with  engine vibration could do a job on the welds where joe’s broke; or a resonance with the unsupported exit pipe?

 

I guess I’ll learn some more as I accumulate some hours on my plane.  Now a real challenge is coming up with some kind of damping support . . . .

 

Al G.

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