X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1111854 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 13 May 2006 10:01:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-025-165.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.25.165]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4DE0ltm015819 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 10:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501c67503$5d7f66e0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Emergency Checklist Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:01:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C674E1.D61F0AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C674E1.D61F0AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your welcome, Bob Figured folks might could benefit from some real world experience {:>) Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Tilley=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Emergency Checklist Ed, Great write up, Thank You!!!!! Bob On May 10, 2006, at 11:59 PM, Ed Anderson wrote: Having been there, done that - here are few suggestions, Al 1. First thing, establish best glide speed 2. Second thing, push NST button on GPS to locate nearest airfield 3. Turn aircraft to heading of selected airfield showing on GPS = (this so while you are messing around with other things you are also = getting closer to a possible safe landing {:> ) Recommend the airfield = that is downwind of your location (if distances are nearly the same = between airfield choices) 4. Announce on radio your predicament and intentions - don't end = up in a long conversation, you've got other things to do, but at least = somebody may hear you and can start a search in the right area - if = heaven forbid -that should be come necessary. Don't wait to do these things else you could get so tied up in your = trouble shooting that you may wait too late. 5. Determine if a fuel problem - if you have normal fuel pressure = showing - the odds are its not a fuel associated problem but something = else If fuel pressure is down then a. Turn on Boost pump b. Select alternative fuel tank (learned that one the hard way) c. Turn on Alternate EFI pump (if not already on) if not a fuel problem then likely a controller or electrically = associated problem (unlikely a leaking injector would cause the engine = to quit - I had one that would stick wide open in flight and while you = noticed the effect the engine did not stop running) 6. Select Alternate Controller B 7. Check system voltage 8. Switch to Alternative battery (if you have one) 9. Reset any popped Circuit breaker 10. Temporarily turn on the cold start switch (I had this actually = give me approx 30 sec more engine run time although I am not certain = why) 11. At some point - STOP your trouble shooting efforts and = concentrate on making the selected airfield. Land downwind if need be = (depends of course on how much wind) 12. Accomplish your pretouch down check list (gear down!, fuel = selector off, master switch off before touch down) 13. At all times "FLY THE AIRCRAFT"!!! I'm sure others can add to the list Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Gietzen To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Emergency Checklist You=92ve got Tracy=92s EC2 and EM2. You=92re flying along and the = engine suddenly quits. After you establish glide, think about which way = to head for possible landing =96 What=92s the first thing you do? Second = thing? Electrical still on Possible failures: Fuel pump ECU One set of injectors out Fuel supply interrupted (broken/plugged) MAP sensor line broken (Would engine stop, or just get very rich?) ???? I think: turn on backup pump and switch to controller B. Check = for fuel pressure, if not, set up for landing. If so, try restart. No = start, turn off one set of injectors. Still no start; switch to other = set. Then ?? Anyway, just thinking out loud. It would be helpful to see = emergency checklists regarding engine issues from some of you guys = flying. Tracy, you=92re first (well, you can decline). And maybe one of = you other guys who has also chosen not to fly through the prop wash = (Can=92t see whether prop turns or not). Thanks, Al ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C674E1.D61F0AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Your welcome, Bob
 
Figured folks might could benefit from some real = world=20 experience {:>)
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob = Tilley=20
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 = 9:49=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Emergency=20 Checklist

Ed,

Great write up, Thank You!!!!!

Bob


On May 10, 2006, at 11:59 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:
Having been there, done that = - here are few=20 suggestions, Al
 
 
1.  First thing, establish best = glide=20 speed
2. Second thing, push NST button on GPS = to locate=20 nearest airfield
3. Turn aircraft to heading of=20 selected  airfield showing on GPS (this so while you are = messing=20 around with other things  you are also getting=20 closer to a possible safe landing {:> )  Recommend=20 the airfield  that is downwind of your location (if = distances are=20 nearly the same between airfield choices)
4.  Announce on radio  your = predicament=20 and intentions - don't end up in a long conversation, you've got = other=20 things to do, but at least somebody may hear you and can start a = search in=20 the right area - if heaven forbid -that should be come=20 necessary.
 
Don't wait to do these things else you = could get=20 so tied up in your trouble shooting that you may wait too=20 late.
 
5.  Determine if a fuel problem - = if you=20 have normal fuel pressure showing - the odds are its not a = fuel=20 associated problem but something else
   If fuel pressure is down=20 then
    a.  Turn on = Boost=20 pump
    b. Select = alternative fuel=20 tank (learned that one the hard way)
    c.  Turn on = Alternate EFI=20 pump (if not  already on)
if not a fuel problem then likely a = controller or=20 electrically associated problem (unlikely a leaking injector would = cause the=20 engine to quit - I had one that would stick wide open in flight and = while=20 you noticed the effect the engine did not stop = running)
 
6. Select Alternate Controller=20 B
7.  Check system = voltage
8. Switch to Alternative battery (if = you have=20 one)
9. Reset any popped Circuit=20 breaker
10. Temporarily turn on the cold start = switch (I=20 had this actually give me approx 30 sec more engine run time = although I am=20 not certain why)
11.  At some point - STOP your = trouble=20 shooting efforts and concentrate on making the selected = airfield.  Land=20 downwind if need be (depends of course on how much = wind)
12.  Accomplish your pretouch down = check=20 list (gear down!,   fuel selector off, master switch off = before=20 touch down)
 
13. At all times "FLY THE=20 AIRCRAFT"!!!
 
I'm sure others can add to the=20 list
 
Ed
 
----- Original = Message=20 -----
From:=20 Al=20 Gietzen
Sent:=20 Friday, May 12, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Emergency Checklist

You=92ve got = Tracy=92s EC2 and=20 EM2. You=92re flying along and the engine suddenly quits. After = you=20 establish glide, think about which way to head for possible = landing =96=20 What=92s the first thing you do? Second = thing?


 

Electrical still=20 on


 

Possible=20 failures:

Fuel=20 pump

ECU

One set of = injectors=20 out

Fuel supply = interrupted=20 (broken/plugged)

MAP sensor line = broken=20 (Would engine stop, or just get very = rich?)

????


 

I think:  = turn on=20 backup pump and switch to controller B.  Check for fuel = pressure, if=20 not, set up for landing.  If so, try restart.  No start, = turn=20 off one set of injectors.  Still no start; switch to other = set. Then=20 ??


 

Anyway, just = thinking out=20 loud.  It would be helpful to see emergency checklists = regarding=20 engine issues from some of you guys flying. =20 Tracy, you=92re first = (well, you=20 can decline). And maybe one of you other guys who has also chosen = not to=20 fly through the prop wash (Can=92t see whether prop turns or=20 not).


 

Thanks,


 

Al


 

 

 


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