Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com ([24.93.67.82] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.3) with ESMTP id 2583719 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:05:48 -0400 Received: from o7y6b5 (clt78-020.carolina.rr.com [24.93.78.20]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id h8I2wP0R009213 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013c01c37d91$7ab63fc0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Turbomania Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:03:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0138_01C37D6F.F3830E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01C37D6F.F3830E00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0139_01C37D6F.F3830E00" ------=_NextPart_001_0139_01C37D6F.F3830E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Eslick=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Turbomania I have really enjoyed reading the hundreds(!) of posts = concerning turbo installation. After SNF '03 I was convinced that would = be my savior also. I ran home and bought a stock 13B turbo with = intercooler, and a big TO3 turbo off e-bay (Turbofever got the best of = my judgement). They are still sitting in the corner. By replacing my intake manifold with something resembling (a = little, anyway) Tracy's, I picked up enough power to make the RV perform = as it should. (Photos available on my web site) The extra 30-40 lbs and off-center load on the engine mount = makes me shy away from the turbo for now. In NA mode, I now perform side-by-side with the 160 HP = fixed-pitch RVs on our field. I just returned from a 27.4-hour vacation = trip to Van's homecoming, and all over the Northwest. Returned from = Montana to Texas over the Rockies with no problem. Gross weight at = 10,000 to 13,500 MSL it still trues 170 MPH. At those altitudes fuel = flow is around 8 GPH. Cruising below 10,000 MSL, I figure 10 GPH from = T/O to Landing, and it is always right on. (I know, Tracy, I should = lean it to the lean side of peak, but when I do, I sacrifice too much = power!) Still using the internal 16-guage SS home-made muffler, and it = still is quiet. The SS Spintech is waiting on the bench for when this = one blows. TT is over 210 hours now, and no major problems (As Hagrid says, = "I shouldn't have said that....") I did see my first case of PLUG SAG, = and it did get my attention. The RPM began to decay and the oil and = coolant temps started to rise rapidly. I pulled off some power and went = way rich and it gradually returned to normal. It wouldn't have been so = attention-getting if I hadn't been climbing out over the mountains = toward Mt. Hood! These were platinum NGKs with close to 40 hours on = them. When they were pulled, the lead balls were obvious from that = expensive 100LL. Bottom Line: If you need either of these turbos, contact me = off line. We can deal. Bill Eslick wgeslick@charter.net RV-6 N268BL=20 Hi Bill Thanks for the great report. Glad to hear the new = manifold is working out so well. Yes, that old spark plug SAG = (Sparkplug Attention Getter) will certainly get your attention - ruined = more than one seat cusion myself from it. I've got myself a spark plug = cleaner (if I can find where I misplaced it) that I want to use to clear = some of the numerous spark plugs I have saved to see if I can't get some = more hours out of them. I wouldn't worry about not matching Tracy's fuel profile = - I can't either. I can cruise at 170 TAS and burn mabye as low as = 7.25- 7.5 gph but no lower. I think Tracy can get even higher cruise = TAS with 6 - 6.5 GPH. I think part of it is the higher drag of the = RV-6, but I also think Tracy has had so many long trips to play with his = ignition timing and other variables that he has his really fine tuned. Do you plan on being at the Rotary Fly in? Ed Anderson eanderson@carolina.rr.com =20 =20 ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------=_NextPart_001_0139_01C37D6F.F3830E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill = Eslick=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, = 2003 11:29=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Turbomania

I have really enjoyed reading the hundreds(!) of posts = concerning=20 turbo installation.  After SNF '03 I was convinced that = would be my=20 savior also.  I ran home and bought a stock 13B turbo with=20 intercooler, and a big TO3 turbo off e-bay (Turbofever got the = best of=20 my judgement).  They are still sitting in the corner.
 
By replacing my intake manifold with something resembling = (a=20 little, anyway) Tracy's, I picked up enough power to make the RV = perform=20 as it should.  (Photos available on my web site)
 
The extra 30-40 lbs and off-center load on the engine mount = makes=20 me shy away from the turbo for now.
 
In NA mode, I now perform side-by-side with the 160 HP = fixed-pitch=20 RVs on our field.  I just returned from a 27.4-hour = vacation trip=20 to Van's homecoming, and all over the Northwest.  Returned = from=20 Montana to Texas over the Rockies with no problem.  Gross = weight at=20 10,000 to 13,500 MSL it still trues 170 MPH.  At those = altitudes=20 fuel flow is around 8 GPH.  Cruising below 10,000 MSL, I = figure 10=20 GPH from T/O to Landing, and it is always right on.  (I = know,=20 Tracy, I should lean it to the lean side of peak, but when I do, = I=20 sacrifice too much power!)
 
Still using the internal 16-guage SS home-made muffler, and = it=20 still is quiet.  The SS Spintech is waiting on the bench = for when=20 this one blows.
 
TT is over 210 hours now, and no major problems (As Hagrid = says, "I=20 shouldn't have said that....")  I did see my first case of = PLUG=20 SAG, and it did get my attention.  The RPM began to decay = and the=20 oil and coolant temps started to rise rapidly.  I pulled = off some=20 power and went way rich and it gradually returned to = normal.  It=20 wouldn't have been so attention-getting if I hadn't been = climbing out=20 over the mountains toward Mt. Hood! These were platinum NGKs = with close=20 to 40 hours on them.  When they were pulled, the lead balls = were=20 obvious from that expensive 100LL.
 
Bottom Line:   If you need either of these = turbos,=20 contact me off line.  We can deal.
 
Bill Eslick
wgeslick@charter.net
RV-6  N268BL
 
Hi Bill
 
    Thanks for the = great=20 report.  Glad to hear the new manifold is working out = so=20 well.  Yes, that old spark plug SAG (Sparkplug = Attention=20 Getter) will certainly get your attention - ruined more = than one=20 seat cusion myself from it.  I've got myself a spark = plug=20 cleaner (if I can find where I misplaced it) that I want = to use to=20 clear some of the numerous spark plugs I have saved to see = if I=20 can't get some more hours out of them.
 
  I wouldn't worry about not = matching=20 Tracy's fuel profile - I can't either.  I can cruise = at 170=20 TAS and burn mabye as low as 7.25- 7.5 gph but no = lower.  I=20 think Tracy can get even higher cruise TAS with 6 - 6.5 = GPH. =20 I think part of it is the higher drag of the RV-6, but I = also=20 think Tracy has had so many long trips to play with his = ignition=20 timing and other variables that he has his really fine=20 tuned.
 
Do you plan on  being at the = Rotary Fly=20 in?
 
Ed Anderson
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
 
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