Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.169.149] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.3) with ESMTP id 2582776 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:58:57 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:58:56 -0700 Received: from 65.137.50.52 by bay3-dav119.bay3.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:58:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.137.50.52] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] Reply-To: "Tracy Crook" From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: trans Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:01:04 -0400 Organization: Real World Solutions Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C37D02.9B5129A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2003 13:58:56.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5DFB0C0:01C37D23] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C37D02.9B5129A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At my request, Bruce built the 20B for my RV-8 using a manual trans 3rd = gen rear side housing so it bolts up to the RD-1B just like any 2nd gen = 13B. This caused a few engine build issues (no time to describe now). = If using a stock 20B it should be easy to fabricate a bracket to = compensate for the missing bolt hole (Easy for me to say since I didn't = have to do it : ) Al Gietzen's integrated solution to this problem and = relocation of starter is elegant, light and as usual for him, = esthetically pleasing. But what is exactly right for his installation = may not be right for yours. =20 Look at the holes you have to work with (I'd suggest looking at the = starter mount holes in the 20B engine block first) and envision the part = that it would take to go between there and the engine adapter plate. It = really can't be too hard. I'll take a look at the standard 20B down in = the shop and post whatever comes to mind. Tracy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin lane=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:52 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: trans what is Tracy doing with his installation? I look at his web site = pics but can't distinguish the model type he has. I'd ask him, but he's = a bit busy right now. I, too, bought the bed type engine mount. I'd love to fly out in oct and see all of this firsthand. maybe = mike mcgee could join me. I just need 2 vfr days.(best when back to = back!) Kevin Lane Portland, OR e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net web-> http://home.comcast.net/~n3773 (browse w/ internet explorer) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Gietzen=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: trans Kevin; That is the 20B rear housing. Tracy's adaptor plate does not use = the 12:00 hole Mark mentioned as you can see on the first attached = photo. The adaptor plate bolt that has nowhere to go is the one I now = use as the bottom bolt for the starter mount. You may be able to see on = the second photo, I made a bracket from steel angle that bolts to the = two starter mount holes; and then drilled for the adaptor mounting bolt = (nut required). It also is one of three bolts for my engine mount = plate. BTW; for those who may not have seen this before, it was my solution = to the 6:00 starter position that didn't work for me. Al -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of kevin lane Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:08 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: trans I guess I was confused by all the discussion on the ACRE list about = bell housings and figured I would need one. I have mostly completed an = intake and decided to let the turbo wait until phase 2, but still am = building my belly scoop and doing the easy to solve sheet metal stuff. = I need to start learning about the redrive. at one point someone was = ready to try flying the electric prop on his plane and then, nothing = more was said about it. here's the photo again. I need to dig up the CD Bruce sent with = the engine and find out what I actually bought. =20 Kevin Lane Portland, OR e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net web-> http://home.comcast.net/~n3773 (browse w/ internet explorer) ----- Original There is only one bolt on Tracy's adaptor plate = that does not go on the 20 rear housing, and that is at the starter = position. No too tough to make a bracket the accept that bolt. BUT, I don't have that photo anymore; but I think Bruce put on a = 13B rear housing - is that right, Kevin? 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At my request, Bruce built the = 20B for my=20 RV-8 using a manual trans 3rd gen rear side housing so it bolts up to = the RD-1B=20 just like any 2nd gen 13B.  This caused a few engine build issues = (no time=20 to describe now). If using a stock 20B it should be easy to = fabricate=20 a bracket to compensate for the missing bolt hole (Easy for me to say = since I=20 didn't have to do it : )   Al Gietzen's integrated solution to = this=20 problem and relocation of starter is elegant, light and as usual = for him,=20 esthetically pleasing.  But what is exactly right for his = installation may=20 not be right for yours. 
 
Look at the holes you have to work with = (I'd=20 suggest looking at the starter mount holes in the 20B engine block = first) and=20 envision the part that it would take to go between there and the engine = adapter=20 plate.  It really can't be too hard.  I'll take a look = at the=20 standard 20B down in the shop and post whatever comes to = mind.
 
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 kevin = lane=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, = 2003 12:52=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = trans

what is Tracy doing with = his=20 installation?  I look at his web site pics but can't distinguish = the=20 model type he has.  I'd ask him, but he's a bit busy right = now.  I,=20 too, bought the bed type engine mount.
    I'd love = to fly out=20 in oct and see all of this firsthand.  maybe mike mcgee could = join=20 me.  I just need 2 vfr days.(best when back to = back!)
Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net
web-> http://home.comcast.net/~n3773
(browse=20 w/ internet explorer)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Gietzen=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, = 2003 9:26=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = trans

Kevin;

 

That is = the 20B=20 rear housing.  Tracy=92s = adaptor plate=20 does not use the 12:00 hole = Mark=20 mentioned as you can see on the first attached photo.  The = adaptor=20 plate bolt that has nowhere to go is the one I now use as the bottom = bolt=20 for the starter mount.  You may be able to see on the second = photo, I=20 made a bracket from steel angle that bolts to the two starter mount = holes;=20 and then drilled for the adaptor mounting bolt (nut required).  = It also=20 is one of three bolts for my engine mount plate.

 

BTW; = for those=20 who may not have seen this before, it was my solution to the=20 6:00 = starter position=20 that didn=92t work for me.

 

Al

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of kevin = lane
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, = 2003 9:08=20 AM
To: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: trans

 

I guess I=20 was confused by all the discussion on the ACRE list about bell = housings and=20 figured I would need one.  I have mostly completed an intake = and=20 decided to let the turbo wait until phase 2, but still am building = my belly=20 scoop and doing the easy to solve sheet metal stuff.  I need to = start=20 learning about the redrive.  at one point someone was ready to = try=20 flying the electric prop on his plane and then, nothing more was = said about=20 it.

   =20 here's the photo again.  I need to dig up the CD Bruce sent = with the=20 engine and find out what I actually bought.  =

Kevin Lane  = Portland,=20 OR
e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net
web-> = http://home.comcast.net/~n3773
(browse=20 w/ internet explorer)

----- = Original=20 There = is only=20 one bolt on Tracy=92s adaptor plate that does not go on the 20 = rear housing,=20 and that is at the starter position. No too tough to make a = bracket the=20 accept that bolt.

BUT, = I don=92t=20 have that photo anymore; but I think Bruce put on a 13B rear = housing =96 is=20 that right, Kevin?

 

Al

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