Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #30064
From: Russell Duffy <russell.duffy@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Lycoming conspiracy theory Re: 6 port?
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:37:44 -0600
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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There is ample evidence. After a thousand or so hours in the dyno room, you can develop a feel for such things. Look at the ID of the carb or TB on the 180. How many CFM? Enough to support the advertised HP? At what rpm is that HP rating? Can't get a dyno sheet for your new engine? And if you could, what is the date on that sheet? Is it for your engine, or for an engine built years ago?   
 
It's true that dyno sheets are hard to come by, but then I've never received one with a car, or with my engine from Bruce, or from Rotax, etc.  
 
Typical of the breed is a HP rating at 3,200 to 3,400 RPM (from years ago) and with a prop on them they won't turn up 2,700 on the ground.  
 
So you're saying that you can buy New Lycoming O-360's, rated at 180HP/2700 rpm, then take them to a dyno and show that they make "nothing close to their advertised HP"?  If so, you'll be a rich man when you sue them.  I wouldn't start spending the money though :-)
 
Since the rotary does outrun most of the 160 HP powered planes, would you assume that those rotaries have way more than 160 HP? Or, perhaps the 160s had a bit less.   
 
One thing to remember is the difference in how dyno results are collected.  For the Lycoming, they test an engine under best case conditions in a test cell.  The aircraft manufacturer can lower these numbers a bit during installation with restrictive filters, exhaust systems, etc.  For the car, the test is done under worst case conditions, so we assume the actual installed power in an aircraft to be a bit higher.   If you look at it this way, it might be fair to compare a "160" HP car engine to a "200" HP aircraft engine.   
 
 Take off in a Cessna 150. Alone, so it won't be over gross. Did that feel like 150HP?
Did it feel more like 79HP? Why yes it did.    
 
Considering that it only has a 108 HP O-235 engine, that sounds about right for a fixed pitch prop :-)
 
Don't get me wrong, I hope to see lots of rotary engine clearly outperforming Lycoming in reliability, and performance, but I frankly don't think that day has come.  I'm rooting for Bill Dube's 6 port intake, though.  
 
Cheers,
Rusty (someone has to play the bad guy) 
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