X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 882996 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:57:01 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.139.137; envelope-from=Lehanover@aol.com Received: from Lehanover@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id q.196.4db2c204 (4394) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:56:09 -0500 (EST) From: Lehanover@aol.com Message-ID: <196.4db2c204.30d26d89@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:56:09 EST Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] flyrotary_Web_Archive To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1134629769" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1134629769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/2005 11:38:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, montyr2157@alltel.net writes: Actually I was thinking about using a single cylinder motor cycle type of magneto directly on the crank for the trailing plugs. At first I was going to use a snow mobile type (I have a few laying around) but then I realized you couldn't use waste spark on the trailing plugs &#%*$! I would just add another coil and ignition pick up to the motorcycle unit 180 deg out of phase. If I was really ambitious I could even add a couple lighting coils and have a (weak) back up to the belt driven alternator. Probably I am not that ambitious since the battery gives you some reserve if an alternator fails. If the battery fails you are sol either way...but the engine keeps running. reasons for the motorcycle mag: 1) cheap 2) no distribution problems, each plug has it's own coil and wire. 3.) no high altitude arcing. 4.) cheap For fuel, I was thinking about using a kinsler style fuel injection. Should be relatively easy with the rotarys linear power curve. No falling off on the top end means you don't need a high speed bypass circuit. Should be able to control the mixture with the barrel valve. Of course it will not be as precise or automatic as EFI. Should be just as good in cruise once you get everything dialed in which is where it counts anyway. The big benefit is I could disconnect the battery and the engine would loose some rpm, but it would keep running. Proper shut down procedure (using the fuel shutoff) should prevent the chance of firing when switching on the ignition (still should yell clear before touching the switch, if it jumps pilot must wear a hair shirt for a week for failure to follow shutdown procedure) Motor arrives tomorrow. Monty A friend had that on a Can Am Lola. It had a 5 position valve in the return line with 5 different pills to select from for tuning. It worked just fine. The electric pump was used until the engine started, and then was shut off. That would be your back up in case the engine driven pump were to fail. I would make one of those positions a return through a big needle valve, like a model airplane. So you could tune right to a particular EGT. Lynn E. Hanover -------------------------------1134629769 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/14/2005 11:38:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 montyr2157@alltel.net writes:
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Actually I was thinking about using a sin= gle=20 cylinder motor cycle type of magneto directly on the crank for the trailin= g=20 plugs. At first I was going to use a snow mobile type (I have a few laying= =20 around) but then I realized you couldn't use waste spark on the trail= ing=20 plugs &#%*$!
 
I would just add another coil and ignitio= n pick=20 up to the motorcycle unit 180 deg out of phase. If I was really ambitious=20= I=20 could even add a couple lighting coils and have a (weak) back up to t= he=20 belt driven alternator. Probably I am not that ambitious since t= he=20 battery gives you some reserve if an alternator fails. If the battery fail= s=20 you are sol either way...but the engine keeps running.
 
reasons for the motorcycle mag:
 
1) cheap
 
2) no distribution problems, each plug ha= s it's=20 own coil and wire.
 
3.) no high altitude arcing.
 
4.) cheap
 
For fuel, I was thinking about using a ki= nsler=20 style fuel injection. Should be relatively easy with the rotarys linear po= wer=20 curve. No falling off on the top end means you don't need a high speed byp= ass=20 circuit. Should be able to control the mixture with the barrel valve. Of=20 course it will not be as precise or automatic as EFI. Should be just as go= od=20 in cruise once you get everything dialed in which is where it counts=20 anyway. The big benefit is I could disconnect the battery and the eng= ine=20 would loose some rpm, but it would keep running.
 
Proper shut down procedure (using th= e fuel=20 shutoff) should prevent the chance of firing when switching on the ignitio= n=20 (still should yell clear before touching the switch, if it jumps pilot mus= t=20 wear a hair shirt for a week for failure to follow shutdown=20 procedure)
 
Motor arrives tomorrow.
 
Monty
A friend had that on a Can Am Lola. It had a 5 position valve in the re= turn=20 line with 5 different pills to select from for tuning. It worked just fine.=20= The=20 electric pump was used until the engine started, and then was shut off. That= =20 would be your back up in case the engine driven pump
were to fail. I would make one of those positions a return through a bi= g=20 needle valve, like a model airplane. So you could tune right to a particular= =20 EGT.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
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