X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.100] (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.3) with ESMTP id 873329 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:16:19 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.100; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-025-165.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.25.165]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jBD5FPWe006586 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c5ffa4$3b2dbda0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: "P" factor? Re: Static Engine RPM Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C5FF7A.51FF5C70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C5FF7A.51FF5C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, Thanks, Bob. Sounds like a lot of airplane! =20 Yes, sometimes luck is with you. It was done before I could even object = by my quick moving nephew. I think the volume of liquid took = sufficient heat out of the fire (before the glycol reach it's own flash = point), to put out the fire externally (on outside of the wheel pant). = But, it did buy us time to get a real fire extinguisher on it before it = could ignite the wheel pant (and glycol) again. As I said, sometime = luck is with you. =20 Thinking about getting a couple of a big fire extinguisher and mount = one on each side of the fuselage pointed at the wheels - to be = automatically activated when the brake temps reach 400F {:>).=20 All kidding aside, this was a potentially very serious combustion event = and I have taken a number of steps to hopefully never encounter it = again. Ed=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Darrah=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "P" factor? Re: Static Engine RPM Ed, The SA-16 Albatross built by Grumman is a huge amphibian capable of = open sea landings, powered by a pair of Wright R-1820 engines turning = the same direction. One big muther. By the way, you are one fortunate guy. That antifreeze that was used = to put out your brake fire, well, it has a flash point of 220-260 = degrees F, depending on where you look. Bob Darrah=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:51 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "P" factor? Re: Static Engine RPM No familiar with the SA-16, Bob, but are both props turning same = direction or opposite - would make a significant difference in whether = there is a swirl (my spell checker says OK {:>)) effect or not. If in = opposite directions then I would agree, if both props rotating in same = direction then harder to say. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C5FF7A.51FF5C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, Thanks, Bob.
 
Sounds like a lot of airplane! 
 
Yes, sometimes luck is with you. It was done before I could even = object by=20 my quick moving nephew.    I think the volume of liquid took=20 sufficient heat out of the fire (before the glycol reach it's own flash = point),=20 to put out the fire externally (on outside of the wheel pant).  = But, it did=20 buy us time to get a real fire extinguisher on it before it could ignite = the=20 wheel pant (and glycol) again.  As I said, sometime luck is with = you. =20
 
Thinking about getting a couple of  a big fire extinguisher = and mount=20 one on each side of the fuselage pointed at the wheels - to be = automatically=20 activated when the brake temps reach 400F {:>). 
 
All kidding aside, this was a potentially very serious combustion = event and=20 I have taken a number of steps to hopefully never encounter it = again.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob=20 Darrah
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 = 11:37=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "P" = factor? Re:=20 Static Engine RPM

Ed,
The SA-16 Albatross built by Grumman is a huge = amphibian=20 capable of open sea landings, powered by a pair of Wright R-1820 = engines=20 turning the same direction.  One big muther.
 
By the way, you are one fortunate guy.  That = antifreeze=20 that was used to put out your brake fire, well, it has a flash = point of=20 220-260 degrees F, depending on where you look.
 
Bob Darrah 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Monday, December 12, = 2005 9:51=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "P" = factor?=20 Re: Static Engine RPM

No familiar with the SA-16, Bob, but are both props turning = same=20 direction or opposite - would make a significant difference in = whether there=20 is a swirl (my spell checker says OK {:>)) effect or not.  = If in=20 opposite directions then I would agree, if both props rotating in = same=20 direction then harder to say.
 
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