Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.169.94] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.3) with ESMTP id 2566449 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:49:28 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:49:27 -0700 Received: from 65.137.50.72 by bay3-dav64.bay3.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:49:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.137.50.72] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] Reply-To: "Tracy Crook" From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] water flow (the quiz) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:51:29 -0400 Organization: Real World Solutions Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01C3724C.62CD2B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 22:49:27.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0D792F0:01C3726D] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C3724C.62CD2B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message Greetings again, In the previous post, I labeled the ports on my radiator, and now I'm = confusing myself :-) When I was talking to Bruce about my oil temp issues, he suggested = that I run the (currently plugged) heater output into the radiator inlet = to produce some more coolant flow through the radiator. This would be = in an effort to increase the efficiency of the oil/water heat exchangers = when the thermostat is closed, and there's little water flow. If I = prove that I need to lower my temps, I'll try this. Certainly, water = will actually flow from the heater port to the radiator inlet tank, = because Bruce said Mazda used to do this with the 1st gen oil/water heat = exchangers.=20 Since water will flow from the engine to the radiator inlet tank, why = do they return the heater itself to the radiator outlet side. This is = also true for the AST, and turbo as far as I can tell. I certainly = plumbed my AST and turbo returns back to the radiator outlet tank, so in = effect, they bypass the radiator. The volume of water is small, so it's = probably not a big deal, but it just seems odd that they wouldn't return = all the water to the same place. I initially thought that maybe they = made an exception for the oil/water heat exchanger return, since it = would be picking up heat, and they'd want to pass that through the = radiator. Of course you'd think the same would be true of the turbo = water return. =20 I'm not sure there's really a question here, but if it happens to make = sense to anyone, let me know. As for the oil temp saga, I should have an oil temp reading into the = engine by this weekend. =20 Thanks, Rusty (waiting for oil temp sensor supplies) Rusty, I can't concieve of a situation where you would need more oil = cooling when the thermostat has not even opened yet. =20 Your potential problem is simply not having enough coefficient of = thermal coupling between oil and water. If you don't, none of the = proposed changes will work. Another factor: If the thermostat is = throttling the water flow through the rad due to too much water cooling, = the water at the cold end of the rad is *really* cool. The oil cooler = at that end will provide all the cooling the oil could ask for IF there = is sufficient thermal transfer capability. Just my opinion but the proposed plumbing changes would be a waste of = precious time. Tracy ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C3724C.62CD2B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 

Greetings=20 again,
 
In the = previous post, I=20 labeled the ports on my radiator, and now I'm confusing myself=20 :-)
 
When I was = talking to=20 Bruce about my oil temp issues, he suggested that I run the (currently = plugged) heater output into the radiator inlet to produce some more = coolant=20 flow through the radiator.  This would be in an effort to = increase the=20 efficiency of the oil/water heat exchangers when the thermostat is = closed, and=20 there's little water flow.  If I prove that I need to lower my = temps,=20 I'll try this.  Certainly, water will actually flow from the heater port = to the=20 radiator inlet tank, because Bruce said Mazda used to do this = with the=20 1st gen oil/water heat exchangers. 
 
Since water = will flow=20 from the engine to the radiator inlet tank, why do they return the = heater=20 itself to the radiator outlet side.  This is also true for the = AST, and=20 turbo as far as I can tell.  I certainly plumbed my AST and = turbo=20 returns back to the radiator outlet tank, so in effect, they bypass = the=20 radiator.  The volume of water is small, so it's probably not a = big deal,=20 but it just seems odd that they wouldn't return all the water to the = same=20 place.  I initially thought that maybe they made an exception for = the=20 oil/water heat exchanger return, since it would be picking up heat, = and they'd=20 want to pass that through the radiator.  Of course you'd = think the=20 same would be true of the turbo water=20 return.  
 
I'm not sure = there's=20 really a question here, but if it happens to make sense to anyone, let = me=20 know.
 
As for the = oil temp saga,=20 I should have an oil temp reading into the engine by this = weekend. =20  
 
Thanks,
Rusty (waiting for=20 oil temp sensor supplies)
 
 
Rusty, I = can't concieve=20 of a situation where you would need more oil cooling when the = thermostat has=20 not even opened yet. 
 
Your = potential problem is=20 simply not having enough coefficient of thermal coupling between oil = and=20 water.  If you don't,  none of the proposed changes will = work. =20 Another factor:  If the thermostat is throttling the water flow = through=20 the rad due to too much water cooling, the water at the cold end of = the rad is=20 *really* cool.  The oil cooler at that end will provide all the = cooling=20 the oil could ask for IF there is sufficient thermal transfer=20 capability.
 
Just my = opinion but the=20 proposed plumbing changes would be a waste of precious=20 time.
 
Tracy
 
  
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