X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c2) with ESMTP id 718889 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:06:53 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.133.182.166; envelope-from=canarder@frontiernet.net Received: from filter06.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter06.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.73]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB51935829E for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by filter06.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter06.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.73]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28656-03-19 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [70.98.128.118]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DC635825D for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4324FEA2.5000300@frontiernet.net> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:05:54 -0500 From: Jim Sower User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Optimal GPM water pump flow. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0536-5, 09/09/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.3.2 (20050629) at filter06.roc.ny.frontiernet.net I agree. Additionally, if the radiators are plumbed in parallel, the flow through each one will be half as much as in series, so the coolant will spend about twice as much time in the rad being cooled. That is a bonus by any standard ... Jim S. Joe Ewen wrote: > Dave, > With respect to plumbing them in series; The heat transfer rate is > dependant upon the delta (temperature difference) temperature between > the coolant and the air (for simplicity the thermal conductivity of > the radiator medium is snot being considered.) By plumbing in series > the second exchanger will have a lower rate of thermal transfer and > result in lower BTU rejection if the total system. Plumbing in series > is likely to also reduce flow rate ( as you noted by higher pressure.) > The lowest return temp may not indicate the optimum system for heat > removal. IMO (given the same radiator area, thickness, renolds number, > etc.) the higher the coolant to air temp difference and the highest > flow rate should yield the system that removes the greatest BTUs. > JOe > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David Staten > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2005 9:41 PM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Optimal GPM water pump flow. > > Al. > What I am after is trying to determine what the minimum required > flow is for the horsepower generated. More than anything else, I > do not want to be BELOW that amount, and consider it a minimum. > Understandably, trying to place twice or nearly 3 times the flow > through the same circuit will result in higher pressures and > perhaps some pump cavitation. I will deal with that as I have to.. > more than anything else I want to make sure I am not starting off > with a DEFICIT of water flow ability. > > I am considering 2 smaller radiators, and originally I intended to > plumb them in series to get the best cumulative Delta-T across > them, but if I have "pressure" problems due to the pump's flow, I > may go to a parralel arrangement. > > Feel free to critique, Al.. My cooling system is a work in > progress that is evolving. I live in a place that has 100 degree > temps with 90% humidity at times, and given the other folks > demonstrated problems with inadequate cooling, I am very much in > favor of designing in excess cooling capacity, to the point I may > even incur a slight weight or drag penalty, such that I don't have > to give constant attention to the risk of overheating. > > Dave > > Al Gietzen wrote: > >> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Optimal GPM water pump flow. >> >>www.racemate.com They were unable to find the photo of the Mazda install but they say the did a few. I am going to take the plunge and get one.. >> >> >> >>Dave >> >> >> >>Just curious what you’re after with the racemate. You were asking about “optimal” flow – double the needed flow is not optimum; high pressure gradients around the loop, unnecessary pumping power. >> >> >> >>Al >> >>-- >> >>Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >>Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >> >> >> >-- > >Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ > >