Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #26399
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative fuel
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:19:56 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Right on, Bill.
 
A gallon of ethanol has an energy content of 83,333 BTU.  A gallon of gasoline has 123,222 BTU of energy  (varies a bit by octane).  So gasoline has an approx 48 % advantage in energy.  So assuming an engine was equally efficient on either fuel (which as you point out they are not likely to be), you could produce more power and fly further|Faster on gallon of gasoline than a gallon of ehtanol. 
 
So if this ever became mandated, Van could start his next design for an Aerial Tanker for in-flight refueling {:>).
 
The story (now) is that production of ethanol is something like 35% net  energy efficient.  In other words you get 35% more energy out of the energy content of the ethanol than it takes to plant, grow and harvest the corn to produce it.  This is a big change, earlier studies showed there was a net lost - I smell some number juggling by those with vested interest.
 
Ed A 
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative fuel

 
 
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From: Denny <dennymortensen@cableone.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:44:55 -0500
Subject: [FlyRotary] Alternative fuel

I have been risking my luck posting an off topic thread on the canard list regarding alternative fuel and thought I should spread my sins around and pass it on to you folks on this list as well. I am also very interested to here all your thoughts on using this stuff in a rotary. I was doing some research on E-85 an 85% ethanol based fuel substitute being promoted here in the Midwest and sent an email to one of the study groups asking for any info regarding a replacement for 100LL. I will paste their response as it is very interesting.
Denny
 
Denny,
These comments ignore two vital items. First: All alcohol fuels suffer a mileage penalty compared to gasoline.  This is true of many alternate fuels. BTU's per pound just aren't there. The engine may run fine, but will suffer a mileage penalty of 30-50% depending on how well the engine is tuned for alcohol. Rotaries are very tolerant of low-octane fuels, but suffer even bigger on mileage
 Second: Alcohol will attack many composite surfaces including laminates. (fiberglass and Carbon-fiber) The solvent aspect may far outweigh the BTU's/pound problem. Different solvents attack different items. Rather obvious but this simple test will show you the difference. Take a PERMANENT sharpie marker and on a piece of aluminum make a couple of marks. Let them dry and then take a petroleum product and try to remove one of the marks. I have found even strong solvents (like
Bill Jepson
Bill Jepson
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