X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.101] (HELO ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c1) with ESMTP id 684681 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:48:50 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.101; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-065-188-083-049.carolina.res.rr.com [65.188.83.49]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j7SCm1l9018193 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01c5abce$c2345770$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Flamible brake fluid Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:48:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C5ABAD.3AD1B140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C5ABAD.3AD1B140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am in agreement, Bill. I've found several more brake fire incidents - in experimental (another = RV-8), GA and Airliners (small ones). No doubt in my mind at this point = there is little reason I can think of for using the old standard 5606 = with a flash point for from 187-240F (depending on which formulation). = The new stuff H-83282 has a flash point of around 440 F and as several = have mentioned there are brake fluids out there which simply won't = support combustion. I believe Lynn pointed out that the temps of = brakes exceed 400F by a considerable margin - so even the new substitute = for the 5606 is no panacea - but still better than having a 200F fluid = in my opinion. Of course, the best prevention is not to have any = leaking fluids - but, then who plans on having a leak.{:>) Right main gear rod removed yesterday and sent back to Van's for = straightening - so in addition to the $200 for replacing tire, brake = line and pads, there will be the cost for straightening the gear rod = (est $180+) plus the cost of a new wheel pant and hardware plus = painting. All in all the total cost will approach $500 or more all = because the $2.00 aluminum tube brake line broke. All brakes now fed by = stainless steel braided, Teflon-lined genuine brake lines. Ed A ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WRJJRS@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:48 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Flamible brake fluid In a message dated 8/26/2005 8:18:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, = cardmarc@charter.net writes: Gasoline is combustible and it is in every light aircraft (unless it = is kerosene or diesel now). Marc Marc,=20 A rather cavalier reply. If you could, wouldn't you carry a = NON-flamable (externally at least) fuel? If it was possible I'd make = that change in a second. We have a running discussion about engine fires = and controlling them! Why on earth would you want brake fluid that burns = EASILY?! Compatibility with aluminum has been the only reason I have = heard. This is a non issue with modern fluids. Ed Anderson has had a = brake fluid fire. John Randolph who just did a round-the-world flight in = his RV-8 was stranded in Thiland for 3 weeks because of a brake fluid = fire on landing. These are fires I can mention off the top of my head = and I am sure with little digging I could find more. This is a = completely UNNECESSARY hazard. I will try to remove as many of these as = possible. Bill Jepson ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C5ABAD.3AD1B140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am in agreement, Bill.
 
I've found several more brake fire incidents - in = experimental=20 (another RV-8), GA and Airliners (small ones).  No doubt in my mind = at this=20 point there is little reason I can think of for using the old standard = 5606 with=20 a flash point for from 187-240F (depending on which formulation).  = The new=20 stuff H-83282 has a flash point of around 440 F = and as=20 several have mentioned there are brake fluids out there which simply = won't=20 support combustion.   I believe Lynn pointed out that the = temps of=20 brakes exceed 400F by a considerable margin - so even the new substitute = for the=20 5606 is no panacea - but still better than having a 200F fluid in my=20 opinion.  Of course, the best prevention is not to have any leaking = fluids=20 - but, then who plans on having a leak.{:>)
 
Right main gear rod removed yesterday and sent back = to Van's=20 for straightening - so in addition to the $200 for replacing tire, brake = line=20 and pads, there will be the cost for straightening the gear rod (est = $180+) plus=20 the cost of a new wheel pant and hardware plus painting.  All in = all the=20 total cost will approach $500 or more all because the = $2.00 aluminum tube=20 brake line broke.  All brakes now fed by stainless steel braided,=20 Teflon-lined genuine brake lines.
 
Ed A
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 WRJJRS@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 = 1:48=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Flamible brake=20 fluid

In a message dated 8/26/2005 8:18:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, cardmarc@charter.net = writes:
Gasoline is combustible and it is in every light = aircraft (unless=20 it is kerosene or diesel now).
Marc
Marc,
A rather cavalier reply. If you could, wouldn't you carry a = NON-flamable=20 (externally at least) fuel? If it was possible I'd make that change in = a=20 second. We have a running discussion about engine fires and = controlling them!=20 Why on earth would you want brake fluid that burns EASILY?! = Compatibility with=20 aluminum has been the only reason I have heard. This is a non issue = with=20 modern fluids. Ed Anderson has had a brake fluid fire. John Randolph = who just=20 did a round-the-world flight in his RV-8 was stranded in Thiland for 3 = weeks=20 because of a brake fluid fire on landing. These are fires I can = mention off=20 the top of my head and I am sure with little digging I could find = more. This=20 is a completely UNNECESSARY hazard. I will try to remove as many of = these as=20 possible.
Bill Jepson
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