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From: "Jack Ford" <jackoford@theofficenet.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: It is worse than you think (was: FAA - we're here to help you)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:12:54 -0700
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Wish I'd said that.

Jack


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: It is worse than you think (was: FAA - we're here 
to help you)


> Aren't you in law enforcement? Can you pull a person's social security 
> records on the grounds that they have a commercial driver's license? Would 
> a judge give you a warrant to search if you told him "This guy is a 
> suspect because he has a driver's license?"  Do you really want *anyone* 
> having access to all your personal & financial information simply on 
> demand, with no checks & balances?
>
> The British are holding signs saying "We Are Not Afraid" while we bleat 
> like sheep & believe the lie that if we only surrender our privacy & our 
> right to defend ourselves we will be protected by our 'benevolent' 
> government.
>
> Sorry, but these are perilous times for much more sinister reasons than a 
> few crazy Muslims.
>
> Charlie
>
> David Staten wrote:
>
>> In the initial investigation, they simply matched social security numbers 
>> of pilots in the database with social security numbers of persons 
>> recieving disability benefits. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>> On the "HITS" they obtained, those are the ones who's records got 
>> pulled.. and from a probable cause standpoint, I'd have to agree that was 
>> appropriate. Given that this was a CRIMINAL investigation, they are under 
>> no obligation to notify you that you (or your medical records that YOU 
>> HAVE ALREADY VOLUNTARILY sumbitted to the government) are under 
>> investigation and then one day they show up and serve you with an 
>> indictment.
>>
>> This isnt "big brother".. this is long overdue. These are people who are 
>> concurrently claiming disability AND renewing/obtaining medicals.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Bill Dube wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't get so excited about this sort of thing yet, Dave.  First 
>>>> off, they only found 48 problems in 40,000.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         An important issue that most folks haven't noticed is that they 
>>> searched the medical records of everyone that holds a pilot's license 
>>> and reported a disability. Were any of us notified that our private 
>>> medical records had been searched? How many folk's private medical 
>>> records were searched without probable cause? Does holding a pilot's 
>>> license somehow give the FAA permission to search your private medical 
>>> records without even telling you about it? Apparently, it does.
>>>
>>>         Disability comes in many flavors. A person can be disabled 
>>> because they are allergic to some chemical at work. A person could lose 
>>> a foot or a hand. A person could have arthritis, or carpel tunnel 
>>> syndrome. There are plenty of disabilities that would prevent you from 
>>> doing a specific job, but have no influence on your ability to fly an 
>>> airplane.
>>>
>>>         Under the Patriot Act, they can search your medical records 
>>> without telling you EVER. Your doctor is not even allowed to ask his 
>>> lawyer if he must comply with the search or find out what records can be 
>>> excluded. Your doctor is forbidden from telling you that your records 
>>> have been searched, ever.
>>>
>>>         Scary, huh....   >>>
>>>         Bill Dube'
>>
>
>
>
>
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