Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #23987
From: Russell Duffy <13brv3@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: turbo oil drain
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:22:47 -0500
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Hi Rusty, there is no rule that states that you have to use engine oil, since you already have a pump to scavenge and you really don't need much oil pressure for a turbo, add a small sump and a little cooler perhaps, and your worries of an engine oil leak are over.  The added advantage is that you can lubricate before start and cool after shutdown.  For the record I know there is not much under cowl room, but you seem like a fellow bent on adventure ;-) -- Ian 
 
Interesting thought, but as you know, there isn't room for all that.  However... it does bring up another possibility. 
 
(danger, unconventional thinking below)
 
The way these (non)seals are made on the turbo, does it hurt to have suction on the drain side of the seal?  And, would it leak if you had a 12" head of gravity fed oil on the bearings when the engine is shut down?
 
What I'm wondering is if I could add a fitting about midway up the oil pan, and use it as the oil feed to the turbo.  It would be gravity assisted, but the scavenging pump would be on the oil outlet of the turbo sucking it through, and returning it to the pan.  The inlet restriction would probably have to be eliminated to keep the suction from being too great on the bearings.  In fact, it might need to be restricted on the outlet side instead, which would be quite Abby normal. 
 
If that could work, then the turbo would only have access to a limited amount of the engine oil, so it couldn't rob the engine of oil in the event of a leak.  On the other hand, there couldn't realistically be a leak, since there's no real pressure on the bearings, so it might not matter whether you put the oil supply line at the middle or bottom (drain bolt) of the pan.  The oil supply would be a bit hotter, but my oil temps are way down there, so it shouldn't be an issue. 
 
If the pump stops running, the oil flow would stop, and I suppose the shaft oil would vaporize.  Perhaps, the vapor would bubble up, and liquid oil would take it's place to some extent until it formed a sludgy goo that slowed the shaft to a stop.   I presume the shaft would eventually seize, but hopefully, this wouldn't be a catastrophic problem for anything but the turbo itself. 
 
Is this loony, or could it work?
 
Cheers,
Rusty (betting I know the answer)  
 
 
 
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