I threw this
together, it includes some assumptions, but I think it's pretty close
to reality. I strongly suspect what part of the
FEMA process is that? that the Egg fuel bleed system actually
drops the outlet pressure enough that the pump is able to move the
small bubble of air at the pump inlet. If you have a well designed
system, what exactly would that look like (or
NOT look like) that air is displaced automatically and there is
no value to the bleed system. I tested my plane and it definitely self
primes. How exactly did you do that? Which
failure modes and what possible situations did you test for? The
Egg crash plane would not pump fuel hours after the vapor lock. Why exactly? Are we sure they actually got to the
bottom of it all? It was not a self priming fuel design.
Back to lurking,
this my quota of posts for week. ;-)
-al wick
Subject:
Fuel system
validation….self priming pump.
Scope:
This procedure is
utilized to determine if your fuel system is able to self prime. It
applies to EFI high pressure fuel systems.
General:
Self priming fuel
systems are lower risk that those that don't. These systems have the
ability to resume pumping immediately after a
flow interruption. Such as when the pilot runs one tank dry, or if
there is vapor lock.
All systems that
allow the fuel pump inlet to get wet after a flow interruption are self
priming. This condition is vital on high pressure fuel systems, as the
pumps are unable to displace air due to the high pressure on the outlet
side of the pump. Only when the inlet is wet are the pumps able to
resume flow.
Procedure:
Drain all fuel from
your tank.
Verify your engine
fuel pressure is at normal pressure, this is typically 36 psi for EFI
systems.
Activate fuel pump
for a few moments to purge fuel from the fuel inlet. You should hear a
rattling sound when inlet is purged of fuel. Use care, running pump dry
too long can damage pump.
Add fuel to tank.
Activate fuel pump
for a few moments until normal pressure is achieved.
Conclusion:
If unable to
achieve full pressure in 10 seconds, you have failed the test. Modify
your fuel system to self wet the fuel inlet.
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:13:12 -0500 "Mark R Steitle" <
mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
writes:
> Jofar,
> The real purpose of the bleed circuit is to allow the pump to
> reprime
> itself. Once that happens, the pump builds up pressure again, and
> forces all the remaining air out through the pressure regulator.
> With a
> 5-gal tank sitting on the floor, my system (running one pump) can
> reprime itself in about 10 seconds. Yes, under the right
> circumstances,
> that could be the longest 10 seconds of my life. This should only
> happen if you run a tank dry. But if that happens, the procedure
> will
> be to switch to the other tank (should have fuel), then turn on the
> boost pump. That should reduce the recovery time to something
less
> than
> 10 seconds.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [
mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> On
> Behalf Of jesse farr
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:47 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine Not Starting
>
> I don't know nothing (actually pretty much anything) about any of
> this
> but
> that has never stopped me from having and voicing an opinion; so,
if
>
> injectors only fire small percentage of time and fuel &
compressed
> air
> flow
> not sufficient at times to clear out in time to get started while
> flying
> ac,
> bleed return definitly sounds like good idea. But, if sufficiently
> far
> away
> from injectors, then even though now have flow established to the
> bleed
> point, you will still have slow go to purge remaining compressed
> air,
> vapor
> and allow fuel to actually flow from there to injectors and
inject.
> It
> may
> just take a few seconds longer but that is still a tight a-- time
> of
> flying,
> starting, praying, cursing own stupidity, etc.. Could I suggest
> might be
>
> better to put bleed point at end of fuel rail so as to pass vapor
> all
> the
> way more quickly ? After all, small orfice and line return to tank
> shouldn't
> create that much more of a problem. Is there some other problem
> there
> that I
> simply do not know enough to understand ?
> jofarr, soddy tn
>
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